Due to climate change Arctic ice is melting

[KWeezyXB12]

Your link is broken and the content is behind a paywall.

its all fake news thats why

 

[UDRider]

Just another wall of text of relativistic masturbation which essentially boils down to nothing can be done. Like 95% of his posts.

I think he's suggesting he's correct AND we need to sit tight on our asses. Cuz "it's not going to go away".

The part with "or very little of what we do, " literally doesn't make sense. He means like, we can't do anything?



oh shyte, wait... yeah, I mean, oops :later

It is only a wall of text to those with 40 second attention spans. Just saying.

Clearly I read it and summarized it. Also have you read other articles I posted in other threads? Not exactly short. Just saying.

 

[mlm]

US per capita produces more than double what Europe does. Similar standard of living...just twice the carbon output.

Plenty of other countries develop electronic goods without the massive carbon footprint of China. It's likely because not every country has large domestic coal reserves, and thus turned to more modern (and cleaner) alternatives. There are definitely issues with emerging populations, but you can't just "burn shit" and make electricity at any significant scale. Rather than bloviate on excuses we should be trying to compete with China and other countries to sell the newcomers the newer energy technology

 

[budman]

Yes... I have.

I just read the piece posted. Really interesting and a solid presentation. :thumbup

 

[cfives]

US per capita produces more than double what Europe does. Similar standard of living...just twice the carbon output.

Plenty of other countries develop electronic goods without the massive carbon footprint of China. It's likely because not every country has large domestic coal reserves, and thus turned to more modern (and cleaner) alternatives. There are definitely issues with emerging populations, but you can't just "burn shit" and make electricity at any significant scale. Rather than bloviate on excuses we should be trying to compete with China and other countries to sell the newcomers the newer energy technology

I love bashing the average American's wasteful consumption at least as much as the next guy, but comparing the US's carbon footprint to Europe's needs to take into consideration many factors, including population density and normal per capita housing size. Not everyone can live with as small of an impact on the environment as Al Gore does.

As more of the world's population strive towards first world standard of living, the best thing that current first world residents can do, is structure their lives so that the gold standard of quality of life is possibly sustainable for more than a small fraction of the global population.

 

[mlm]

I love bashing the average American's wasteful consumption at least as much as the next guy, but comparing the US's carbon footprint to Europe's needs to take into consideration many factors, including population density and normal per capita housing size. Not everyone can live with as small of an impact on the environment as Al Gore does.

As more of the world's population strive towards first world standard of living, the best thing that current first world residents can do, is structure their lives so that the gold standard of quality of life is possibly sustainable for more than a small fraction of the global population.

You speak as if population density and housing size aren't choices? Don't get me wrong, I don't have issue with people's ability to choose...just the subsidies that influence those choices.

 

[BURNROPE]

Give/Sell a man a fish, he can feed his family for a day, teach him how to fish and he can feed his family every day.

Build a man a fire and keep him warm for night. Set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.

 

[KWeezyXB12]

Build a man a fire and keep him warm for night. Set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.

thats not how that works

 

[cfives]

thats not how that works

If done properly, that is exactly how it works.

 

[cfives]

You speak as if population density and housing size aren't choices? Don't get me wrong, I don't have issue with people's ability to choose...just the subsidies that influence those choices.

Housing size is definitely a choice, but a culturally informed one based off of what is considered normal and adequate. Population density of the United States is not a choice that can be influenced by an individual. Well I guess it can be altered by about 3/100 of one percent if an individual was willing and able to add or subtract 100,000 American citizens/residents.

 

[Climber]

Build a man a fire and keep him warm for night. Set a man on fire and keep him warm for the rest of his life.

Ha! Accurate and I'm sure there is a lesson in that. :ride

Put a man in jail and he may commit the same crime when he gets out, hang him and he won't do it again.

 

[cfives]

youtu.be/JvA1bKLQtbM

 

[msethhunter]

Not sure why people even still debating whether Climate Change is happening.
Would you like to know more? Click here.

I don't think people are denying climate change, I think people are denying man's impact on it. I'm not sold on the drastic impact we've had, but we have had enough of one to make a noticeable difference.

 

[Abacinator]

Relevant xkcd
https://xkcd.com/1732/

 

[bojangle]

I love bashing the average American's wasteful consumption at least as much as the next guy, but comparing the US's carbon footprint to Europe's needs to take into consideration many factors, including population density and normal per capita housing size. Not everyone can live with as small of an impact on the environment as Al Gore does.

As more of the world's population strive towards first world standard of living, the best thing that current first world residents can do, is structure their lives so that the gold standard of quality of life is possibly sustainable for more than a small fraction of the global population.

:laughing This must be in jest as most live with far less impact and consumption.

But political comments belong in the politics section, not here.

 

[UDRider]

I don't think people are denying climate change, I think people are denying man's impact on it. I'm not sold on the drastic impact we've had, but we have had enough of one to make a noticeable difference.

Oh I definitely heard people still denying it
Progression goes something like this. No climate change -- sure there is climate change, but not man made/small -- well yeah it might be caused by humans but nothing we can do because economy and stuff.

One example.
For the shit show read comments.

youtu.be/NjlC02NsIt0

 

[cfives]

...

But political comments belong in the politics section, not here.

I do apologize for the inconveniently placed comment, I did not consider it to be political in nature.

 

[Schnellbandit]

Oh I definitely heard people still denying it
Progression goes something like this. No climate change -- sure there is climate change, but not man made/small -- well yeah it might be caused by humans but nothing we can do because economy and stuff.

I recently heard someone say humans never walked on the moon too. I wonder how many people listened to that fool and now deny it as well?:laughing

It's the predictions that didn't come true that hinder acceptance. There is a progression there too:

20 years ago: In 20 years major coastal cities will be under water.

20 years go by: Hey, the cities aren't under water, what happened?

Shit, we forgot that we'd still be alive and so would the people we told that to and now they don't believe us.

Okay, we refined the data. In 50 years major coastal cities will be under water.:thumbup

 

[UDRider]

I recently heard someone say humans never walked on the moon too. I wonder how many people listened to that fool and now deny it as well?:laughing

It's the predictions that didn't come true that hinder acceptance. There is a progression there too:

20 years ago: In 20 years major coastal cities will be under water.

20 years go by: Hey, the cities aren't under water, what happened?

Shit, we forgot that we'd still be alive and so would the people we told that to and now they don't believe us.

Okay, we refined the data. In 50 years major coastal cities will be under water.:thumbup

Show me the research papers.

 

[Climber]

There is only one person that I can find who claimed 20 feet in the near future (an ambiguous term, not 20 years), that was Al Gore who was in the process of starting consortium to sell carbon credits.

I can't find any scientist who has said that.