Due to climate change Arctic ice is melting
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Brokenlink
Banned
I hate it when that happens.
Yakoo752
USN
here's a WAPO article you can actually read
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/arctic-climate-change-military-russia-china/
oh and been there, done that. Even played football. Got my bluenose.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/arctic-climate-change-military-russia-china/
oh and been there, done that. Even played football. Got my bluenose.
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Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
On the bright side we don’t have to worry about Russians marching over from Siberia.
Polar bears better start turning brown, though.
Polar bears better start turning brown, though.
Brokenlinks are the worst! :laughing
Schnellbandit
I see 4 lights!
About half of the world's population lives in the "third world" and they all want what we already have. If as reported it's true that for every 100 people added to the world's population 97 of them are in impoverished areas of the world you could say that for every 3 people accepting climate change and the need to do something about it the remaining 97 don't really care, they want a car, TV, better clothes, education, a home and food and they probably don't care if fossil fuels are used to make that happen for them. They aren't even on a grid much less trying to figure out how to use alternative means to power it.
Unless we wake up and deal with that reality, what we do in first world areas will become overwhelmed by the demand for resources by the third world.
We could carbon tax ourselves into oblivion and it wouldn't do a thing to prevent the exponentially increasing demand for resourced being imposed by third world populations. Global accords accomplish nothing if the only people adhering to them are ones who have passed acquisition and are moving toward refinement of energy development. We all have shiny new phones and never questioned what it was costing us to get them because it was other countries polluting their lands and air to make them. Now that everyone else wants them too we want them to signup and limit their ability to get what we have. Good luck. The hype around efforts to have the third world skip past fossil fuels and go straight to some low impact energy is window dressing for our consumption.
Climiate change is here to stay but to borrow a phrase "we didn't start the fire", that happened when the first person discovered fire and everyone else wanted to burn shit too so they could have some.
So what are we going to do about it, tell 3-4 billion people they have to wait until we have a Tesla in every garage and solar on every roof? Think they will wait or just go out and burn shit to generate electricity and buy a gas car to get around?
We had better figure out that problem or very little of what we do, even as an entire country is going to make any real difference. It is gonna cost dearly but we really need to start paying the piper.
Unless we wake up and deal with that reality, what we do in first world areas will become overwhelmed by the demand for resources by the third world.
We could carbon tax ourselves into oblivion and it wouldn't do a thing to prevent the exponentially increasing demand for resourced being imposed by third world populations. Global accords accomplish nothing if the only people adhering to them are ones who have passed acquisition and are moving toward refinement of energy development. We all have shiny new phones and never questioned what it was costing us to get them because it was other countries polluting their lands and air to make them. Now that everyone else wants them too we want them to signup and limit their ability to get what we have. Good luck. The hype around efforts to have the third world skip past fossil fuels and go straight to some low impact energy is window dressing for our consumption.
Climiate change is here to stay but to borrow a phrase "we didn't start the fire", that happened when the first person discovered fire and everyone else wanted to burn shit too so they could have some.
So what are we going to do about it, tell 3-4 billion people they have to wait until we have a Tesla in every garage and solar on every roof? Think they will wait or just go out and burn shit to generate electricity and buy a gas car to get around?
We had better figure out that problem or very little of what we do, even as an entire country is going to make any real difference. It is gonna cost dearly but we really need to start paying the piper.
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Cycle61
What the shit is this...
I don't disagree with significant parts of your statement, but I'm not sure what exactly you're suggesting here.
it's not the completely undeveloped countries of the world that are contributing most of the pollution, it is developed economies that are huge and not modernized, primarily China and India. China is actually taking some major steps towards turning around their industrial pollution, brought on by the fact that the air in many of their cities was outright killing people, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
it's not the completely undeveloped countries of the world that are contributing most of the pollution, it is developed economies that are huge and not modernized, primarily China and India. China is actually taking some major steps towards turning around their industrial pollution, brought on by the fact that the air in many of their cities was outright killing people, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
Brokenlink
Banned
That's all good and fine, but we here in the US use far and above more resources per capita than any other nation (especially those third world ones you love to throw out there). What can we do you ask? Well we can start in our own house. Stop using as many resources.
But I totally get what you are saying. That guy in Uganda living in a shack, eating beans and wishing he would have a TV; totally the same waste of resources as the guy here in the US in his air conditioned house, with his gas guzzling car, and his steak dinner, and his quick run up to Starbucks for his latte. WHY SHOULD WE CHANGE WHEN M'Bobno IN UGANDA DOESN'T?
How about the concept of trying to act like a world leader instead of having a "I got mine and why should I even care if that one guy in a shack doesn't?
UDRider
FLCL?
Fixed. Technology is hard. :laughing
Hmm. I have subscription to WSJ, but I thought they still allowed certain amount of free views.
UDRider
FLCL?
Just another wall of text of relativistic masturbation which essentially boils down to nothing can be done. Like 95% of his posts.
AbsolutEnduser
Throttle Pusher
I think he's suggesting he's correct AND we need to sit tight on our asses. Cuz "it's not going to go away".
The part with "or very little of what we do, " literally doesn't make sense. He means like, we can't do anything?
oh shyte, wait... yeah, I mean, oops :later
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Schnellbandit
I see 4 lights!
I'm suggesting that unless the third world bypasses what happened in China, they will follow the same path as they develop. I'm suggesting not to wait until the undeveloped countries become the next problem which is all the "accords" do.
Are you suggesting that undeveloped countries will not in turn become developed and if they represent about half of the world's population that so what, just wait until it gets too bad and then jump in? We sat by knowing exactly what was happening in China but who cared so long as the next shiny new thing was on it's way here on a ship.
I didn't advocate doing nothing but rather said we need to get ahead of the undeveloped countries BEFORE and not after they become the next China.
So where are all the people who claim to be so concerned about climate change? Right, they are the ones standing in line for new devices, powering Amazon to record profits, getting their daily fresh meals delivered by a car burning gasoline and demanding everything be made available to them regardless of the impact to the environment to get it done. But don't let that get in the way of telling everyone else they need to be concerned as the car idles away on the street while their Big Mac is delivered into their waiting hands.