DJI, the latest underhanded tech company

Lunch Box

Useful idiot
Not sure about other places, but most waivers are barely worth the paper on which they are printed in California.
 

SFSV650

The Slowest Sprotbike™
So they're waiving their rights?
Super, sounds like your chance to order something and cancel the cc payment, start a line of lookalike products, upper decker the head office, all without fear of legal consequences.
 

stan23

Well-known member
DJI is definitely love or hate company.

they produce some of the most revolutionary stuff out there, but they operate out of China, which means they go by a different creed than US standards.

That said, I like 'em -- so far! *fingers crossed* that I never need any warranty work on my Mavic Pro.
 

madsen203

Undetermined
So they're waiving their rights?
Super, sounds like your chance to order something and cancel the cc payment, start a line of lookalike products, upper decker the head office, all without fear of legal consequences.

You'd have to have a "class" of folk do it at once so it could be deemed not an individual.
 

Lorry

Well-known member
Is this much different from AT&T where by entering into a contract with them, you are agreeing to use an arbitration service rather than go to court/class action for resolving issues?
 

Blankpage

alien
Can't blame them for slipping that line in there if they could. Imagine all the underhanded stuff someone can be up to with a drone buzzing over private property and unauthorized entry spaces.
 

wazzuFreddo

WuTang is 4 the children
It's more a question of "is it enforceable" rather than "is it legal." The specifics of any given situation seem to matter, but frequently the answer is "yes, such terms are enforceable" as long as one has an opportunity to review and give assent. Here's a brief and informative read on the subject:

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/communications_lawyer/2015/january/click_here.html

I wonder what a company would do if you sent back red-lines to the agreement. Refund your money? :laughing
 

radvas

Well-known member
Is this much different from AT&T where by entering into a contract with them, you are agreeing to use an arbitration service rather than go to court/class action for resolving issues?

No. It's the same thing. They are increasingly common.
 

radvas

Well-known member
Can't blame them for slipping that line in there if they could.

I don't like giving up rights with nothing in return. It's a shitty practice in general, but consumers don't care enough to stop buying products or using services, so the practice lives on.

That said...

Imagine all the underhanded stuff someone can be up to with a drone buzzing over private property and unauthorized entry spaces.

I agree that it's a complex landscape. I remember hearing some boss at DJI talk about embedding logic in DJIs aircraft that would prevent a user from inadvertently flying into various types of "no flight areas" like airport airspaces, Special Flight Rules Areas, Restricted airspaces, TFRs, etc..

It's not hard to imagine an owner knowingly breaking the rules and then suing DJI because DJI didn't stop them from doing something stupid.

I still don't think depriving everyone of rights is the just solution for dealing with a shitty minority of users. But it's probably a simple, expedient safeguard for them.
 
I agree that it's a complex landscape. I remember hearing some boss at DJI talk about embedding logic in DJIs aircraft that would prevent a user from inadvertently flying into various types of "no flight areas" like airport airspaces, Special Flight Rules Areas, Restricted airspaces, TFRs, etc..

I am pretty sure that for the most part this functionality exist. I had a friend do a thing at Niagara Falls and he had to have the manufacturer disable some of the flight controls so he could fly/capture content around the falls.
 

stan23

Well-known member
I don't like giving up rights with nothing in return. It's a shitty practice in general, but consumers don't care enough to stop buying products or using services, so the practice lives on.

That said...



I agree that it's a complex landscape. I remember hearing some boss at DJI talk about embedding logic in DJIs aircraft that would prevent a user from inadvertently flying into various types of "no flight areas" like airport airspaces, Special Flight Rules Areas, Restricted airspaces, TFRs, etc..

It's not hard to imagine an owner knowingly breaking the rules and then suing DJI because DJI didn't stop them from doing something stupid.

I still don't think depriving everyone of rights is the just solution for dealing with a shitty minority of users. But it's probably a simple, expedient safeguard for them.

It's arelady there and working.

Everytime you log onto the DJI app to fly, it does a background check on current NFZs (no fly zones) If you're in one. you don't even get to manually take off.

Furthermore if you start to fly into an NFZ zone, the device will auto land.
 

mercurial

Well-known member
Haha that ain't no precedent! If you are trying to change terms and conditions, I think you have to overtly advise the other side of the changes. People often do this with checks where they pull shenanigans like writing on it "accord and satisfaction - payment in full" and some big corp cashes it, and then they claim that the debt is settled. You can do that - if you write a letter and clearly state what you are doing, and what happens if the entity cashes it. If you're trying to pull a fast one on someone who isn't paying attention, that won't hold up.
 
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