2legs2wheels
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as I said in alan's thread, gald you are ok 
Crash: "Epiphany" (4/6 @ Mines)
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Kwang
needs time to ride
Had a newb show for a group ride up Mt. Ham/San Antonio/Del Puerto and back. I led the newb at a safe pace while monitoring him in my mirrors then Andy(sbr) took over on the way back. The newb stayed upright and learned a lot.
Once you had an "oh shit" moment, you should have slowed down more and the sweep should have led you instead of being behind you because there is nothing you can really do from behind.
The turn you crashed on has a 15 mph sign and is pretty sharp. I once came up on a group of cruisers before the turn and hung way back to not spook them and see how they rode before attempting any passes and saw the guy in front of their sweeper go wide and put his bike in the ditch. He was an old feeble looking guy who just started riding. Helped the sweeper pick up the bike and get it into running condintion then went and met the rest of their group near the other end of Mines and told them what happened. The rest of the group had just kept riding the 20+ miles without seeing the riders behind them:rolleyes
At least you didn't thrash a nicer bike.:thumbup on having a newb bike
Once you had an "oh shit" moment, you should have slowed down more and the sweep should have led you instead of being behind you because there is nothing you can really do from behind.
The turn you crashed on has a 15 mph sign and is pretty sharp. I once came up on a group of cruisers before the turn and hung way back to not spook them and see how they rode before attempting any passes and saw the guy in front of their sweeper go wide and put his bike in the ditch. He was an old feeble looking guy who just started riding. Helped the sweeper pick up the bike and get it into running condintion then went and met the rest of their group near the other end of Mines and told them what happened. The rest of the group had just kept riding the 20+ miles without seeing the riders behind them:rolleyes
At least you didn't thrash a nicer bike.:thumbup on having a newb bike
plumber
Banned
yamalude said:
I beg to differ. Good textile and good armor with a good fit are more than adequete for reasonable street speeds. My last adventure totaled my old Roadcrafter but did not wear through anywhere. In comparison my leather Sidi Vertebra 2s wore through on the instep.
Of course I would belly up to the bar for a custom made Helmiot leather suit for serious track riding speeds.
SimFox3
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Chief said:
Hi Everyone,
I appreciate everyone giving me good wishes (good for the karma) :teeth
Poor fr0ng
I saw some of his posts. I was being stupid and riding over my head. I hope to God that this incident and the permanent 'battle scar' will serve as a reminder.
Based on everyone's advices here are the things I need to do:
1) Get Leathers BUT make sure they are a tight fit.
2) Get some sportbike motorcycle technique books. It's odd because MSF taught me to keep my 'heels' on the footpegs... yet you guys are saying that keeping the forefoot on the footpegs is BASIC...
3) Get to track.
4) Don't RIDE ABOVE my comfort level
Thanks Again,
Saad
SimFox3
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KoRnHoLyO said:
Hey Korn,
Is there a way to know for certain? I'm looking at the tire and I still see pips on the sides.
If this is the case, I'll just get 'Diablo Tires', but I need to know for sure.
NO... I'm not going to ride at the same pace even if it is the tire. I just need to be certain that when I go to track I don't slip ... again.
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Cheung
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Well... it's sat...
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158540
go get some leathers
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158540
go get some leathers
That Guy
Happy Racing
Look at the tire. Look for chicken strips. That is nice smooth un ridden rubber. you will be able to tell the diff. just looking at it. This does NOT mean the tire is bad. They have a releasing agent so they can get them out of the mold when produce. You just need to slowly increase your lean angle so that you scrub it off a little bit at a time. Do a search srubbing in new tires (tyres) I know this has been talked about many time esp. for track day riders. New tires need to be scrubbed in so getting new ones will not help.
SimFox3 said:Hi Everyone,
I appreciate everyone giving me good wishes (good for the karma) :teeth
Poor fr0ng
I was being stupid and riding over my head. I hope to God that this incident and the permanent 'battle scar' will serve as a reminder.
Based on everyone's advices here are the things I need to do:
1) Get Leathers BUT make sure they are a tight fit.
2) Get some sportbike motorcycle technique books. It's odd because MSF taught me to keep my 'heels' on the footpegs... yet you guys are saying that keeping the forefoot on the footpegs is BASIC...
3) Get to track.
4) Don't RIDE ABOVE my comfort level
Thanks Again,
Saad
Your on your way to a long and happy life riding...:thumbup
Best wishes for max fun!
ort:smoking
SkywarpR
Master of Slow
I've been riding for a little over a year now, and I have put about 10k on my bike. I've done some pretty quick rides (Skyline, Redwood, Highway 1, Mines, etc), and I have never had my foot rub. I still consider myself a noob... Am I just going significantly slower, or is the foot clearance on my bike just that much higher?
Climber
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Lots of factors there:SkywarpR said:
1. Each bike has different peg clearances.
2. Different riders keep their feet in different positions.
3. Different riders have different sized feet.
4. Different riders weight the outside peg differently which can effect bike lean angle.
Not something to be really concerned with. Don't take this wrong but you're still early on in the learning curve for building up the skills and reflexes which will allow you to go fast safely.
As long as you're having fun going the speed that you are and you aren't taking too many risks then it's all good.
rama
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Critter said:
+1.
This was my problem when I was a n00b. On *every* group ride, you have to repeat to yourself over and over: ride your own ride.
I had a couple close encounters not doing so in my first thousand miles- the second one scared me 1/2 to death and I've been riding my own pace ever since. (knock on wood)
naomarik
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First of all I'm glad your first crash only ended up in a rash. Second, I'm jealous that you got to ride at all, I haven't been able to get on my bike for about three weeks now! :cry
Your ego will come back in due time. For now expect to be a total wimp for at least a month or two :laughing
I'm wondering, what kind of textile jacket were you wearing? Does it have any armor in it? When I crashed I was in my textile Alpinestar Dyno jacket and it has some elbow armor in it and a foam insert padding in the back. My torso/arms were unscathed as well as my jacket. I only scratched up my knee a wee bit as I was wearing jeans. I don't think I was going nearly as fast as you though, maybe 30-35 mph tops. The cause of my crash: pulling front brake while leaned over (two trucks pulling boats holding up cars as I was coming out of a blind S-curve).
Your ego will come back in due time. For now expect to be a total wimp for at least a month or two :laughing
I'm wondering, what kind of textile jacket were you wearing? Does it have any armor in it? When I crashed I was in my textile Alpinestar Dyno jacket and it has some elbow armor in it and a foam insert padding in the back. My torso/arms were unscathed as well as my jacket. I only scratched up my knee a wee bit as I was wearing jeans. I don't think I was going nearly as fast as you though, maybe 30-35 mph tops. The cause of my crash: pulling front brake while leaned over (two trucks pulling boats holding up cars as I was coming out of a blind S-curve).
oliver
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Great post, Saad. Very, very informative for newbs like myself.
:thumbup
I'm sorry if I missed it, but what kind of tires do you have? I'm guessing they're relatively new since you mentioned the pips...? Maybe Chris was on softer and/or healthier tires and he had just a bit more traction available to him. The difference between sliding and not sliding is infinitesimally small--that "tipping point" is just a fraction of an mph. It's possible you were 10mph beyond that point but it's also possible you were just 1mph beyond that point.
One of my bikes has Dunlop 208s and the other has Pirelli Diablos. There is a BIG dry traction difference between the two (advantage, Pirelli). I think it is a softer compound and it is also grooveless on the edges (aka, a slick). More than a few times I've felt the rear of the Ducati (Dunlops) slide--more of a quick step actually--in only medium lean-angle turns. Weird. Luckily each time it was over with so quickly that I didn't have time to try to correct.:teeth I've not experienced that on the Aprilia (Pirellis) yet, a bike which I push much harder.
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I'm sorry if I missed it, but what kind of tires do you have? I'm guessing they're relatively new since you mentioned the pips...? Maybe Chris was on softer and/or healthier tires and he had just a bit more traction available to him. The difference between sliding and not sliding is infinitesimally small--that "tipping point" is just a fraction of an mph. It's possible you were 10mph beyond that point but it's also possible you were just 1mph beyond that point.
One of my bikes has Dunlop 208s and the other has Pirelli Diablos. There is a BIG dry traction difference between the two (advantage, Pirelli). I think it is a softer compound and it is also grooveless on the edges (aka, a slick). More than a few times I've felt the rear of the Ducati (Dunlops) slide--more of a quick step actually--in only medium lean-angle turns. Weird. Luckily each time it was over with so quickly that I didn't have time to try to correct.:teeth I've not experienced that on the Aprilia (Pirellis) yet, a bike which I push much harder.
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SimFox3
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naomarik said:
:laughing :cry :laughing . I'll keep that in mind, but I would like my ego to stay the way it is now :thumbup. That way I won't crash out of my own stupidity.
The jacket I was wearing was made by 'Frank Thomas' and is called 'Blast Jacket'. It is very lightweight, but maybe that's why I have so MUCH rash. If I'm ever going to ride twisties/track I will only wear leathers. But I will keep the 'Blast' for rain and other quick stops.
SimFox3 said:
Not to interrupt your thread, but that's one thing I don't understand. If you buy good gear, why not wear it all the time, and why not buy gear you can wear in rain, and all conditions? I know finances can be a good reason, but otherwise? and you should know that argument, 'if you can afford the bike, the gear first.'