yumdumpster
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They also, you know, build new housing as demand increases. Also they dont try and preserve laundromats as "historic landmarks".
congrats SF you have the highest rent prices in the world
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They also, you know, build new housing as demand increases. Also they dont try and preserve laundromats as "historic landmarks".
Bay Arean
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I am not convinced SF has more homeless than San Jose though.
That said, Ms. BA is a quarter-owner of their original family house on Potrero Hill. They use a management company to handle the rental. Each year, the company tries to convince Ms. family to raise the rent even more. It's actually the landlords that hold back the company but the rent is obscene as it is. This was considered the blue-collar n-hood of SF and now it's all being grabbed up, toredown and rebuilt for multi-occupancy. Another set of condos is set to block what little view is left from her family home. They have to fight everything tooth and nail just to see a piece of the Bay.
That said, Ms. BA is a quarter-owner of their original family house on Potrero Hill. They use a management company to handle the rental. Each year, the company tries to convince Ms. family to raise the rent even more. It's actually the landlords that hold back the company but the rent is obscene as it is. This was considered the blue-collar n-hood of SF and now it's all being grabbed up, toredown and rebuilt for multi-occupancy. Another set of condos is set to block what little view is left from her family home. They have to fight everything tooth and nail just to see a piece of the Bay.
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Eldritch
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Yeah, Hong Kong for Example, used to at least have HUGE Slums that offset the average. London similarly had Chav filled estates in regions that threw off the numbers, but I bet they are both still high up on the list along with New York, Dubai, etc.
aminalmutha
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You gotta remember, too... "London" is the size, population-wise, of the whole Bay Area, roughly. Probably Hong Kong, too. Cities like Tokyo have more people than many countries; damn near as many as the whole of Texas, in fact.
So, if you take the actual City of London, central London, say, I bet the rents there beat SF. To be a more fair comparison, you'd have to take the Ghey Area as a... hole.
mrzuzzo
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And this kind of NIMBYism is just another reason why rent prices in the Bay Area are so sky high. :rolleyes
Bay Arean
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rolleyesrolleyes
You fail to understand that they are putting a highrise there so that their tenants will get the view over the house below them and that they can charge more at the expense of the rest of the neighborhood by surpassing the traditional two-story standard??? It's more like a domino effect than an isolated dispute. The traffic is already so constipated that you can't get anywhere. I know, let's build more and more and taller houses!!
Ha. Some NIMBYism. I will never understand the desire to stack and pack the Bay Area. Never. It's what people like about living here as opposed to other places.
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yumdumpster
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You fail to understand that they are putting a highrise there so that their tenants will get the view over the house below them and that they can charge more at the expense of the rest of the neighborhood by surpassing the traditional two-story standard??? It's more like a domino effect than an isolated dispute. The traffic is already so constipated that you can't get anywhere. I know, let's build more and more and taller houses!!
Ha. Some NIMBYism. I will never understand the desire to stack and pack the Bay Area. Never. It's what people like about living here as opposed to other places.
If you want to ease congestion you need to "stack and pack" as you so eloquently put it, within transit or walking distance of the jobs, which essentially is all of the peninsula/south bay/SF. Since we didnt build crap where the jobs were people are being forced into the suburbs and the exurbs where density is low and they are forced to drive. Yes some of those people willingly relocated, but I would argue most people would opt to be closer to work if they had that option.
The idea is to build transit oriented housing that actively dissuades automobile ownership.
KooLaid
Hippocritapotamus
Fresno has some really nice areas. Great outdoors action and riding in the nearby sierras and lakes. Surprisingly cheap too
My hometown of SJ had so much potential downtown that was all ruined by having the airport in the middle of the city...
Should have just moved that somewhere like bailey/101 so we could have an airport close by while not limiting our skyline or forcing outward expansion vs. upward.
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Bay Arean
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No, srsly, I was just choosing a hot place in the valley as symbolic exile for those who can't afford the ever-inflating Bay Area. not knockin' it, though I am not fond of SJ valley in the summer.
As we approach retirement, we know we probably cannot afford to stay in our naturally air-conditioned neighborhood.
AbsolutEnduser
Throttle Pusher
before you look into one corner of Potrero hill for building skyrises, where there's already crime, dirty highways etc etc, you have to see for example Mountain View where one employer takes like 80% of the workforce and they have built like 1% of housing in the last 10 years. Closer to you, mr zuzza
San Francisco has maybe always surpassed the rate of building compared to any town in the bay area in the past years. NIMBY doesn't start in SF, yo.
I agree that some houses need to be a bit more stacked up perhaps, but better start a bit smaller. 3-4-5 stories and gradually. Leave space for community. But that takes planning.. :rolleyes "oh the developers won't come"... :rolleyes
Abacinator
Unholy Blasphemies
I'd prefer if everyone just left :laughing
Eldritch
is insensitive
That is finally changing. I was at the Cityscape the other night and thinking about that as the sun went down.
Abacinator
Unholy Blasphemies
Who wants a bunch of tall ugly buildings?
aminalmutha
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Bay Arean
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This is my beef, too. I don't want us to look like NYC. Not every major city in the world has lots of skyscrapers. My favorite ones do not, in fact. Usually there are a few landmarks, but the way SF Fin District over to Rincon Hill is getting junked up just makes it look precarious and ridiculous. Like the old expression trying to put 10 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound sack. I think skyscrapers are the blight of the modern age and are inhuman to inhabit. Sure people get used to anything, doesn't make it ultimately safe, aesthetic or desirable. It's probably unfair to point out the misfortune of the Millenium Tower as symbolic of SF over-development, but kind of irresistable at the same time.
And the pic of the Bay Bridge traffic makes me laugh Those people probably could never afford to live in SF no matter how many skyscrapers or luxury condos they build. Perhaps an incremental impact on overall housing...but why junk up everything? What those people in traffic probably might want is decentralized business locations. With all of the telecommunication possibilities, are we even thinking hard about the need for urban centers in already congested locations? In some ways, trying to force people into SF caters only to those very wealthy who choose to live in a Manhattanized scenario. Who are we doing this all for anyway?
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