Are You Following Me?

CaptCrash

Dazed and Confused
Every so often I see threads that mention Road Rage and document instances of drivers acting with malice toward bikers. With that in mind I thought I'd take a moment to share some basic security tips that people in TV use to keep Anchors, Reporters, Photographers and other personnel safe. I'm going to apply them to motorcycles and show you some of the risks and rewards of being aware of your surroundings and having an escape plan.

1. Avoid having a predictable pattern. Have at least 3 different routes between your work and home. Alternate routes randomly. If someone is mad at you and knows you'll be on your bike at a specific time in a specific place--you're at risk. If you have an incident on the way to work or home alter your route for the next few days, this gives the other driver time to cool off and forget you. If a driver feels you cut them off at an intersection, feels slighted enough to honk or flip you off, and then sees you the next day? You can become a target of opportunity. It's best to avoid them for a day or two so use an alternate route. Varying your time of departure and arrival can help you avoid the scene of an "incident".

2. If you think you're being followed--"Walk the Box". Make four consecutive right hand turns. Go around the block. It may be a BIG block but there is NO REASON ON EARTH for someone to make 4 rights turns behind you unless they are following you. If they do, then they are following you. You are now a potential target. Behave accordingly (see #3).

3. Once you fear (or know) you're being followed, proceed to a well lit, well populated area. This sounds awful, but place yourself where there are witnesses. Witnesses will help confirm your account of what happens and often serve as good samaritans. Knowing where the local police station, substation or barracks are located is a good thing too. Go the police station parking lot and pull right up to the door. If you're being followed--they'll peel off. IF they follow you into the parking lot, just park it by the door and lay on the horn. Officers will respond. (Come on, there's a bike up on the sidewalk by the front door laying on the horn! They'll come out.) Police Stations tend to be populated 24/7 but be aware that at 2 in the morning in small municipalities you might not have an officer on duty at the station.

4. Keep a log of vehicles you are having trouble with. IF every few days that orange Mazda is giving you the finger? Take note of the model, year, and plate number. Once you're at work or home write up a discription of the driver and a short note of what they're doing. This may sound nuts but you'll have documentation if something happens. (AND you'll realize that you need to vary your route to avoid problems).

You don't need to be a target. IF you're having a problem the best way to behave is classic motorcycle safety--don't place yourself in a bad position. AVOID places where you're having problems!

A couple of final thoughts; first, cars are big! They weight a couple of tons. As a weapon they are profoundly dangerous to motorcyclists and you want to avoid confrontations with them. What's the old saying? "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight"? A car's strength as a weapon are size, weight and low risk of operator injury. A driver running over a rider is at very little risk. YOU, the rider, are extremely vulnerable. Use your head to stay out of bad situations. Don't escalate them. FLEE. You can split lanes, ride up on the sidewalk, out brake, out turn and out acclerate most automobiles. Use this to your advantage. If you need to flee, turn into that parking lot, double back, slip between stopped cars, evade--don't fight.

Yeah, fleeing isn't as glamous as fighting but you can't beat up an SUV with your gloved fists and if a driver decides to park it on you? Even if it's a crime--you're still the one doing the hospital time.

Be smart. Be safe!
 
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Cycle61

What the shit is this...
Also considered but never tried: Know where there's a 24 hours grocery store. Ride the bike right in through the front doors. It'll fit, but the car following/chasing you won't. Then lay on the horn.
 

Nemo Brinker

Tonight we ride
Good points, Crash...thanks. Lots of folks run through self-defense scenarios in their heads, but too often, they forget to think about times when bad stuff goes down on the road.
 

OldFatGuy

Fondling Member and 1%er
Also considered but never tried: Know where there's a 24 hours grocery store. Ride the bike right in through the front doors. It'll fit, but the car following/chasing you won't. Then lay on the horn.

This has actually been done by one of our very own BARFettes.
 

DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
Interesting thread... I was once followed on the freeway for a short time after cutting a guy off. I was in the wrong, but he reacted violently. I was scared out of my mind. Your suggestions are good for an urban situation--what about when someone is out on the open road like I was? (I ended up going between cars and eventually lost him and then exited the freeway, but there wasn't any way I could have out-run him had we stayed on the highway. He was gaining on me quickly...)
 

CaptCrash

Dazed and Confused
I would offer:

1. You're better off getting them in front of you if you can. One of the problems with being pursued is that you have to watch in front as well as behind. IF you can get them along side and the situation is clear enough, you can out brake them. What if they stop? Well, then you stop. If they get out of the car? Use acceleration to your advantage.

2. Exit the freeway INTO an urban or suburban area. This puts you in a lower speed environment that plays to your strengths so exiting is a good idea. (As you demonstrated).

3. Even on the freeway there are other users you can use to block a pursuing car. You'll fit in smaller spaces and can hopefully evade a following car. HOPEFULLY other users will recognize you're being pursued and may call for LEO help.

IF you are pursued remember that you're dealing with an irrational human being! They are pursuing you because they are, realistically, OUT OF CONTROL. They are unpredictable and dangerous--IF you do lose them on the freeway you might consider stopping at a callbox or pulling over and using a cellphone to REPORT the incident so you can have a record of what happened. I would also suggest exiting IMMEDIATELY and altering your route so you don't find that car waiting for you 3 miles up.

As always, noting time of day, type of vehicle, license info, driver discription will help in case you run into that same car again next week...
 

DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
Thanks for the response. The open road situation seems much more dangerous than the city-streets version. I'm generally thinking "where's my escape route" whenever I'm riding and I guess I should take that more literally than just imagining that I need to pull off onto the shoulder to avoid rear-ending someone!
 

Jimbo007

Tugboat Trash
I was pursued in my cage in highschool, from Burlingame north on 101. The guy bumped me from behind, attempted to scare me off the road. I pulled up in front of 850 Bryant (hall of justice), next to one of the black and whites that are double parked in front. As I stopped, the pursuer realized where he was and fled. I motioned for the cop next to me to chase him and he didn't understand, so the guy got away. Not sure he would have had cause to detain the guy anyway but at least I was safe.

Did the same in Vallejo when I lived there and I was being suspiciously followed.
 

Papi

Mmmmm...Faster
Excellent points for safety (self preservation) when being followed by a prospective lunatic.
 

GAJ

Well-known member

14 pages and no final post by the OP indicating if her pursuer was nailed by the cops or not...in 2003!

But smart thinking on her part to ride into a Safeway!

I once had a nutcase tailgater in a huge dually get mad 'cause I passed them on the flats leading up the Oakville Grade to the very twisty and tight Trinity Road where there is no place to pass. At least that's the only thing I can think of because the pass was clean and vision was a 1/2 mile ahead before the hills.

Got stuck behind two slow moving cars full of what seemed to be tourists and this nut caught up to me on my DRZ but I wasn't going to risk my life passing where there is no vision. If you know the road near the fire station you know there is no place to pass and no place to pull over if you're being tailgated by a nutcase.

I pulled to the right hand part of the lane and hugged the car in front of me's turn signal and the nut passed us both in one insane Kimakaze move that might have resulted in a head on. He waited for the next turn and then passes the other car in front of me around the turn with no thought to oncoming traffic.

He had a huge AFM sticker in the back of the truck and after his last blind pass on a decreasing radius turn a School Bus passed going in the opposite direction.

Not sure I would do anything different given a similar scenario but that's the only rage incident I've been involved in with 35 years of riding under my belt.
 

DataAngel

Well-known member
Wow.... ^^

All good points CaptCash.

Also, riding into a safeway is an interesting and functional idea!
 
Every so often I see threads that mention Road Rage and document instances of drivers acting with malice toward bikers. With that in mind I thought I'd take a moment to share some basic security tips that people in TV use to keep Anchors, Reporters, Photographers and other personnel safe. I'm going to apply them to motorcycles and show you some of the risks and rewards of being aware of your surroundings and having an escape plan.

1. Avoid having a predictable pattern. Have at least 3 different routes between your work and home. Alternate routes randomly. If someone is mad at you and knows you'll be on your bike at a specific time in a specific place--you're at risk. If you have an incident on the way to work or home alter your route for the next few days, this gives the other driver time to cool off and forget you. If a driver feels you cut them off at an intersection, feels slighted enough to honk or flip you off, and then sees you the next day? You can become a target of opportunity. It's best to avoid them for a day or two so use an alternate route. Varying your time of departure and arrival can help you avoid the scene of an "incident".

2. If you think you're being followed--"Walk the Box". Make four consecutive right hand turns. Go around the block. It may be a BIG block but there is NO REASON ON EARTH for someone to make 4 rights turns behind you unless they are following you. If they do, then they are following you. You are now a potential target. Behave accordingly (see #3).

3. Once you fear (or know) you're being followed, proceed to a well lit, well populated area. This sounds awful, but place yourself where there are witnesses. Witnesses will help confirm your account of what happens and often serve as good samaritans. Knowing where the local police station, substation or barracks are located is a good thing too. Go the police station parking lot and pull right up to the door. If you're being followed--they'll peel off. IF they follow you into the parking lot, just park it by the door and lay on the horn. Officers will respond. (Come on, there's a bike up on the sidewalk by the front door laying on the horn! They'll come out.) Police Stations tend to be populated 24/7 but be aware that at 2 in the morning in small municipalities you might not have an officer on duty at the station.

4. Keep a log of vehicles you are having trouble with. IF every few days that orange Mazda is giving you the finger? Take note of the model, year, and plate number. Once you're at work or home write up a discription of the driver and a short note of what they're doing. This may sound nuts but you'll have documentation if something happens. (AND you'll realize that you need to vary your route to avoid problems).

You don't need to be a target. IF you're having a problem the best way to behave is classic motorcycle safety--don't place yourself in a bad position. AVOID places where you're having problems!

A couple of final thoughts; first, cars are big! They weight a couple of tons. As a weapon they are profoundly dangerous to motorcyclists and you want to avoid confrontations with them. What's the old saying? "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight"? A car's strength as a weapon are size, weight and low risk of operator injury. A driver running over a rider is at very little risk. YOU, the rider, are extremely vulnerable. Use your head to stay out of bad situations. Don't escalate them. FLEE. You can split lanes, ride up on the sidewalk, out brake, out turn and out acclerate most automobiles. Use this to your advantage. If you need to flee, turn into that parking lot, double back, slip between stopped cars, evade--don't fight.

Yeah, fleeing isn't as glamous as fighting but you can't beat up an SUV with your gloved fists and if a driver decides to park it on you? Even if it's a crime--you're still the one doing the hospital time.

Be smart. Be safe!
Is this really THAT MUCH of a problem? I have NEVER had anyone follow me for any reason, let alone road rage. I guess don't piss people off and you don't have to be as paranoid as a judge?
 

DucatiHoney

Administrator
Staff member
Is this really THAT MUCH of a problem? I have NEVER had anyone follow me for any reason, let alone road rage. I guess don't piss people off and you don't have to be as paranoid as a judge?

Some people have the melting point of butter--it takes nothing to get them riled up. If you're out on the road you *will* meet one of these people at some point. Granted, most of them are unlikely to act on their aggression, but it's better to know what to do if someone does decide to go 5150 than not. Courteous riding is certainly one's best defense again the wackos of the world, but it's naive to dismiss the possibility of ever being followed.
 
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