A lesson for all BARFers (long)

redline

Greetings from THill...
(this post was edited. You may see some comments that apply to the original posts. Flame away! :laughing) Hopefully the title can be shortened to "A lesson for all barfers (long)"

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A lesson for all BARFers (long)

When I first joined BARF, everyone kept telling me the same things:
ride your own ride
don't try to be "fast" too quickly - go slow to go fast
and a bunch of other stuff

...but, what does all that stuff mean? How do you do it & if it's something people can do, why doesn't everyone do it?

Here is my version of the universal phases of the new rider. What experiences can you add to help paint the full picture for new riders?

The New Rider Phase
So much to learn, so many myths to un-learn! We all have questions about what's the "best Bike to Start With" but we all really want to be seen on something "cool." You'll probably get the "wrong" 1st bike. I only did one thing right on my 1st bike: it was used -well used & beat up. I dropped it at almost every opportunity. If you must have a "cool" bike, at least get a used one -it hurts less to repair. If you're a better rider than me, you'll start on a Ninja 250 or other sensible bike.

Unnatural hazzards:
Just when you thought you were done tipping over the bike...ruts at the intersection, stopping on a hill, parking on a hill --these are all places a newbie is gonna be likely to tip that bike over. What can I say? It's a bumpy road starting out & my 1st bike had the scars to prove it.

How do I use this Helmet?
True story! Just when you think you're past the newbie stage, something throws you a curve. I got my 2nd helmet & the stupid strap doesn't clip like the old one. I tried it on & everything & had to ask the salesguy if a part was missing because the chin strap didn't have a snap on it. "How does this work?" I said, pointing at the Wierd red piece that should've been a snap but wasn't. It happens!




Slow it down!
I know, I know, everyone says to chill on your ride, but yet we keep hearing about people getting hurt on the roads. Do you have that bad feeling that maybe their riding isn't so different than your own? How are you coping? What will you do to keep "luck" on your side? Do you really want to rely on "luck" to keep you alive?

One thing I've really struggled with is the "ride your own ride" thing. On the street, it is really hard not to follow the rider in front. When I do, I find that I'm not turning where I normally would, not riding at the speed I normally would and sooner or later, I end up in a turn that I'm not ready for because I wasn't doing things in my normal way and instead was riding like someone else. If I create a larger space between me & the rider in front, I can ride my own pace & stop copying the rider in front. Usually, the pace is about the same, but now it's more comfortable because I'm riding my style, not the other rider's style.

Dragging Knee
Oh, you know you're obsessed with it! Somebody convinced me that if I go to the track I'd drag knee on the first day!! (yeah, right!) Well, he was dragging knee, but I was getting passed in every turn! Here's a video of my lap of shame: Lap of Shame


I'm the next Rossi!!
Whether street or track, soon, you'll believe all the hype you've been telling yourself about your mad skills. I think I only made that mistake once and it was on this lap (video): How to Crash Your R1

I tried to learn from my mistakes & the mistakes of others. What lessons did you learn the hard way? Wanna post 'em as a lesson to new riders? Although these threads are old, some things don't seem to change. What would you want newer riders to keep in mind as they head out to ride?
 
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fr0ng

Well-known member
I approve. But "I'm the next Rossi" as a title for posting a video of my first trackday?

Oh well, it IS BARF after all...


Being 20-21 years old at that time also came into play...I feel like a more level headed and mature person now. If I had this mentality 5 years ago, I probably would have had a much different experience.



Overall, A for effort, B for implementation...
 
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Poxy

Well-known member
Wait, what happened to the 45 min of unconsciousness in the hot sun with a busted leg at T-Hill thread?

No frOng anthology (frOngthology?) is complete without it....
 
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immortal

brake later, gas earlier
saminat0r: yea..reading all those posts now ...god i was an idiot
saminat0r: lol



:laughing

i linked fr0ng to this thread.

i always told fr0ngypoo to slow down before he even started goin to the track.. now i am calling him a puss for not riding anymore!
 

SVsick50

Well-known member
*sigh*

Okay foolios.

1. You all don't have to go racing up to Alice's once the weather get's above 64 degrees. I think this is where the problems start. Because not only you, but every sightsee'er, hiker, MTB, road cyclist, dRifT3r, weekend warrior and their mom is doing the same thing. This, my friends, is what we call a clusterfuck. Add that to the fact that many don't do much riding in the winter, and you got ants in your pants with an itchy throttle hand.

Relax. Calm down. You don't have to ride the day that is everybody else is out.

2. How much do you really love riding? What about changing it up a bit? Hanging off on a sportbike is not the end all in motorcycle riding - there are cruisers, flat track, touring, supermoto, and best of all DIRT RIDING. I have not had this much fun on a motorcycle since I was a kid riding my Honda Passport 70cc. You see, with the style of riding I do, I have NOTHING to prove - I just have to prove to myself that I can have fun. Sweating it out on a singletrack with my CRF250X at speeds much less than those of a sportbike, and I don't have to think about having a head on collision with a car - this is a lot of fun. I think people's perception of what motorcycle riding is always focuses on sportbikes, when there's a broad range of other types of riding that is just as much fun.

If you want to disprove me on this point, go get on a 150cc Honda Dirtbike and spend some time at Hollister on the TT track and tell me it was super boring. RIDE EVERYTHING, you will appreciate the motorcycle in every form that way.

3. Build a bike. Well, maybe not an entire bike like I'm doing right now, but learn how to wrench your own shit. Understand how the motor works, tires, combustion, suspension, etc. You will be a much better, or, "in-tune" rider if you are feeling something awkward on your bike and you're able to kinda pin-point it.

4. Use reservation on certain days. I'm actually superstitious about these things. For example, today I rode my bicycle down to the post office, and crashed by looping a stupid wheelie :laughing. Then when I parked it for lunch, my shorts caught on the seat and I almost fell. Today I was going to go do some riding video, but decided not to since I was just having a "bad day". YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIDE. Trust your gut.

You also don't have to go on large group rides that will take you on unfamiliar or busy routes that might include lot's of traffic.

The trouble I've gotten into in the past was mostly due to the mentality I adopted with certain people I rode with. Choose who you ride with very carefully, and still use reservation.

5. Be cautious, but not too cautious. Now that you read BARF and see all the bad things that can happen, don't let it ride your bike. You will have a rough time ever being comfortable if you allow too many bad images/stories to ride your ride.

******

I think guys (like Fr0ng) problem is that they let the bike ride them instead of them riding the bike. I was, at one point, guilty of this, too. I didn't respect the motorcycle lifestyle like I do now... I treated it like I was completely in control and I had it all down - when in reality I didn't. My bike rode me, and I suffered the crashes and mishaps. Now, with a clear understanding of limits and how far I can push them in certain settings, also knowing that NOT riding one day is not a bad thing - I get to enjoy the motorcycle lifestyle in it's entirety - from building bikes, to riding dirt, to sportbikes, cruisers, touring, Supermoto... it's all good in my opinion and not one type of riding is better, they are all fun and speed is not always the objective. I just want to ride, and it doesn't always have to be a sportbike.

There's nothing to prove - only to prove to myself that I can have fun on two wheels - asphalt, dirt or otherwise.
 
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faz

Sexiest Ex-Mod around!™
redline,

I appreciate the effort you have put together to collect those links, and I am sure it will serve well in helping other new, younger riders that may think similar to frong did at the time.

I just don't like the constant frong bashing that this and other threads similar to this are prone to start. frong has shown a lot of maturity in almost all of the recent posts that have come up either bashing him or his style at that time.

He was a young man who made some mistakes, but he has moved on and he is a much better 'person' today than most people who bash his old personality today on BARF. (I am not suggesting you, redline, are bashing his personality... I know you have good intentions with this post.. I am just saying this for those who are yet to come in to this thread and star their B.S.)
 

mikev

»»───knee───►
2. How much do you really love riding? What about changing it up a bit? Hanging off on a sportbike is not the end all in motorcycle riding - there are cruisers, flat track, touring, supermoto, and best of all DIRT RIDING. I have not had this much fun on a motorcycle since I was a kid riding my Honda Passport 70cc.

SM not the best? It's like I don't even know you anymore. :x
 

tuxumino

purrfect
If lovin' Barf is Fr0ng, I donut B right, er left..

lest the legend of Fr0ng be lost to Barfkind, I will witness bears.

In the long run frong was/is one of the lucky ones. he's alive with lessons learned, and maybe that's all any of us can hope for.
 

jdhu

Well-known member
redline,

I appreciate the effort you have put together to collect those links, and I am sure it will serve well in helping other new, younger riders that may think similar to frong did at the time.

I just don't like the constant frong bashing that this and other threads similar to this are prone to start. frong has shown a lot of maturity in almost all of the recent posts that have come up either bashing him or his style at that time.

He was a young man who made some mistakes, but he has moved on and he is a much better 'person' today than most people who bash his old personality today on BARF. (I am not suggesting you, redline, are bashing his personality... I know you have good intentions with this post.. I am just saying this for those who are yet to come in to this thread and star their B.S.)

Agreed. OP, perhaps you are well-intentioned and think this will help newer riders, but it comes off as mean and unnecessary.

Who hasn't said stupid things online? Many of us said the same things Frong said when we started out (I did, though I got lucky and didn't crash as much). In fact, it could be argued that it takes a certain bravado and cockiness to get into sportbikes in the first place.

Frong seems good-spirited about this, but I know I wouldn't like this sort of post.
 

redline

Greetings from THill...
redline,

I appreciate the effort you have put together to collect those links, and I am sure it will serve well in helping other new, younger riders that may think similar to frong did at the time.

I just don't like the constant frong bashing that this and other threads similar to this are prone to start. frong has shown a lot of maturity in almost all of the recent posts that have come up either bashing him or his style at that time.

He was a young man who made some mistakes, but he has moved on and he is a much better 'person' today than most people who bash his old personality today on BARF. (I am not suggesting you, redline, are bashing his personality... I know you have good intentions with this post.. I am just saying this for those who are yet to come in to this thread and star their B.S.)

I hope this thread serves as a lighthearted advice to riders and not a bashing thread. We've all made these mistakes. I think if we all go through the same stages as we start riding:
  • Initial enthusiasm,
  • growing pains,
  • Learning some hard lessons
  • How to adjust our riding style to cope with the risks

One thing I've really struggled with is the "ride your own ride" thing. On the street, it is really hard not to follow the rider in front. When I do, I find that I'm not turning where I normally would, not riding at the speed I normally would and sooner or later, I end up in a turn that I'm not ready for because I wasn't doing things in my normal way and instead was riding like someone else. If I create a larger space between me & the rider in front, I can ride my own pace & stop copying the rider in front. Usually, the pace is about the same, but now it's more comfortable because I'm riding my style, not the other rider's style.
 

jdhu

Well-known member
I hope this thread serves as a lighthearted advice to riders and not a bashing thread. We've all made these mistakes. I think if we all go through the same stages as we start riding:
  • Initial enthusiasm,
  • growing pains,
  • Learning some hard lessons
  • How to adjust our riding style to cope with the risks

One thing I've really struggled with is the "ride your own ride" thing. On the street, it is really hard not to follow the rider in front. When I do, I find that I'm not turning where I normally would, not riding at the speed I normally would and sooner or later, I end up in a turn that I'm not ready for because I wasn't doing things in my normal way and instead was riding like someone else. If I create a larger space between me & the rider in front, I can ride my own pace & stop copying the rider in front. Usually, the pace is about the same, but now it's more comfortable because I'm riding my style, not the other rider's style.

Well, like Frong said, the "I'm Rossi!" comment about his trackday video, etc comes across as mean-spirited.

If Frong had posted this thread to "educate" new riders to take it easy, cool. Someone else posting, digging through years of comments is weak in my opinion.
 

redline

Greetings from THill...
fair enough, points taken about the thread not coming off correctly. The intent was to highlight the phases & growth we all go through, but it does not deliver.

I'll rewrite the 1st post using only my own experiences.
 
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