Smash Allen
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If you are trailbraking and go straight from 5%-0% at once, that is more likely to lose the front, than if you are off the brakes from turn-in. Same if you are trailbraking at 5% and go straight to 20%...
If you are trailbraking and go straight from 5%-0% at once, that is more likely to lose the front, than if you are off the brakes from turn-in. Same if you are trailbraking at 5% and go straight to 20%...
I notice this is one of the first things CSS does.
How much added value to traction would trail braking these corners add? If I had to guess i would say im 20% at turn in and 5% at apex before beginning throttle. I dont know that it is correct but from vast amount of video and where I seem to feel comfortable thats about where ive found myself.
If im cornering with no brakes am I adding a little more risk?
I’ve lost the front plenty of times because I wasn’t on the brakes. How do I know... later trips through that corner while on the brakes were faster and I didn’t crash.
What people tend to gloss over is that you can’t really run the same line off the brakes as on the brakes. Your lowest speed in the corner will be in a different place with the two approaches, but the bike will sustain the same lowest speed either way, unless the line is whacky.
Cambered tires are not load sensitive like car tires, so grip is higher when applying load.
Can you clarify the above? What do you mean by load sensitive and why would cambered tires not be?
Absolutely not. Other posters here will disagree, but the truth of the matter is we don't see anyone lose the front because they weren't on the brakes.
So yes, you absolutely can lose the front off the brakes in a corner.
Ken
The point is that being off the brakes is not the cause of losing the front.
IME, the #1 crash I see is:
An improper braking technique entering a corner (off the brakes too early) having positive acceleration and then adding lean angle to achieve the desired trajectory.
Hands down the #1 crash I see.
My point is the #1 reason for the crashes I see, starts with being off the brakes entering a corner.
Ken
Your first and second "#1 causes" aren't the same thing. Acceleration and adding lean angle, I can agree with.
Sorry, I'm looking at the entire sequence as a whole. The effect of being off the brakes in a corner is the #1 cause I see riders crash - may be a better way to state it.
No brakes, No throttle, engine drag. Does that load the front tire at all?
Coasting at max lean angle is not optimal for traction at the front. Whether trailbraking or not, the rider can improve traction and stability by getting back to the throttle and slowly rolling on as soon as he is at his deepest lean angle, is off the brakes and the bike is pointed. This takes away both weight and some lateral load from the front (the bike is leaned over).
Turn 2 at T-Hill
Can you describe your braking and throttle on this turn?
I do understand brake to apex throttle out. Some turns i dont make it to apex on the brakes. Turn 2 is one of them. would be great to understand how other riders take this turn.
I have seen A riders do almost a second apex prior to straightening out, sort of fading to outside of track toward the end of turn.