Why are BMWs so damn cheap?

scootergmc

old and slow
Seems they do according to the article that was posted. Although most likely what it is follow-on survey data from owners.


Well whaddaya know. Looks like they started around the time I was bailing, not that I needed their input. Their reliability survey could be spot on though, Italians near the bottom with Royal Enfield and Yamaha/Honda at the top.
 

greenmonster

Well-known member
I've owned three BMWs since 2011. Not a single one has had any failures whatsoever. Anecdotal, sure. However, I know a handful of BARF'ers personally who during that same time have purchased a Multistrada and had a major failure occur. Not to mention the cost to service them is something close to $1500. That's ridiculous yet Ducati ranks high on Consumer Reports lists? Whatever.

Assuming I use the dealer to service my current R1250RS, it runs $750. That's draining and filling all the fluids and adjusting the valves. To do it myself in my garage, it takes about an hour, $40 in parts/fluids and a couple of beers. The only thing I have to take off is the cylinder covers and that takes a couple of minutes and they both stick straight out the sides anyway. Hell, I haven't had to adjust any of my valves on all three of the bikes until the mileage ticked past 30,000 anyway. The R-engines are extremely reliable and rugged. They just consistently get a bad rap from haters.

I bought a 2015 r1200rt a year ago and haven’t had any problems at all. I bought it with 16,600 miles on it and have about 19,500 right now so it’s ridden sparingly so that might be part of it. The owners manual says I don’t need to change the oil for quite a while but I’m going to change it anyway since a year has come and gone. I called Calmoto in Livermore and they charge $230 just for an oil change. When I take my Civic to Dublin Honda they charge $60 so go figure.
 

Kornholio

:wave
Honestly, the R-engine Beemers are so easy to work on yourself at home, there's really no reason to take them to the dealer unless you're just lazy or don't feel inclined to perform mechanical work. I'm of the former mindset from time to time and just bite the bullet at that point. However, 3rd party service shops are all over for Beemers. Give them a call first. My 2011 RT used to cost me $300 in San Diego for a full service w/valve adjustments and that was at a third party shop.
 

mrzuzzo

Well-known member
I've owned three BMWs since 2011. Not a single one has had any failures whatsoever. Anecdotal, sure. However, I know a handful of BARF'ers personally who during that same time have purchased a Multistrada and had a major failure occur. Not to mention the cost to service them is something close to $1500. That's ridiculous yet Ducati ranks high on Consumer Reports lists? Whatever.

Assuming I use the dealer to service my current R1250RS, it runs $750. That's draining and filling all the fluids and adjusting the valves. To do it myself in my garage, it takes about an hour, $40 in parts/fluids and a couple of beers. The only thing I have to take off is the cylinder covers and that takes a couple of minutes and they both stick straight out the sides anyway. Hell, I haven't had to adjust any of my valves on all three of the bikes until the mileage ticked past 30,000 anyway. The R-engines are extremely reliable and rugged. They just consistently get a bad rap from haters.

I paid about $1700 for the service on my BMW S1000XR and the service on my Ducati Diavel was actually a bit less. So not all BMWs are cheap to maintain.

My buddy had to replace his clutch on his 1200RT and you have to split the entire bike into two halves to get that done. So yeah, I dunno about simplicity.
 

Kornholio

:wave
I paid about $1700 for the service on my BMW S1000XR and the service on my Ducati Diavel was actually a bit less. So not all BMWs are cheap to maintain.

My buddy had to replace his clutch on his 1200RT and you have to split the entire bike into two halves to get that done. So yeah, I dunno about simplicity.

I was specifically talking about the R-bikes which is 99% of what is posted in those Craigslist searches anyway. Also, having to the replace the clutch? Why? Even RT-P bikes don't destroy the clutch within their service years and they're worn on harder than any others that I'm aware of. Mine lasted well over 70,000 miles in the time I had my 2011 RT without an issue. Does he slip a lot? What year was it? Was it a dry clutch model?
 

chrisweir.com

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I was looking at an LT a few years ago and my friend who worked at the dealership said "friends don't let friends buy LT's"
 

kuksul08

Suh Dude
I paid about $1700 for the service on my BMW S1000XR and the service on my Ducati Diavel was actually a bit less. So not all BMWs are cheap to maintain.

My buddy had to replace his clutch on his 1200RT and you have to split the entire bike into two halves to get that done. So yeah, I dunno about simplicity.

What the heck did $1700 cover?
 

psychocandy

wrecker
No one wants K bikes, there are quite a few in that search.

There's an R1200C, but that bike is only popular to a niche market. Most people hate them because they are quite possibly the fugliest dumbest bikes BMW has ever made. I mean, the Bond movie that made it famous was the one with Remington Steele as Bond. That should tell you everything.

I'm a little surprised that the 2000 RT is that cheap. But it's also an ex-Highway Patrol bike. An ex-police bike is not something you should enter into lightly. And thus tend to be priced accordingly. I am aware that BMW R bikes tend to be built to last, and I'm not afraid to do most work on my bike myself. But I would still never buy an ex-police bike.

GS bikes maintain their value. But you can still get good deals on them. Especially 1100s & 1150s. 1200s seen to be more expensive.

I sorta had my eye on an R1150R. A lot of people don't really like the R/R models for some reason. So, they tend to be priced lower than you'd expect. Good deals to be had if you want the BMW R version of a naked.

Dunno much about the thumpers. That early F650 seems about average for what I've seen. I almost bought a friend's. I think his friend price was $1200, but he listed it on CL for $1800 expecting to be talked down. You won't find an F800 for that price unless it's got looots of problems.

I think, and actual BMW owners can probably correct me, that on the big R bikes, the clutch replacement is due around 80k to 100k miles. You basically have to fold the bike in half to do that. So, that's a big & expensive maintenance job. At the same time, from what I understand, it's recommended maintenance & the chances that your clutch will be fine without being replaced is pretty good. But still, you're supposed to do it around that mileage.

It's all about what people want. And most people want the GS. An R1150GS with high mileage but good maintenance records under $3k will probably sell very quickly. A shiny K bike for $2K can sit on CL forever.

When I was looking a few months ago, a ratty but cool looking R1150R for $2500 I almost got, but it got sold the day before I would have been able to check it out. Someone else had a super clean one that he had barely ridden in 5 years (needed new battery, fluids, everything, but had low miles) listed for incredibly cheap, I think it was $1500. It sold in a day. Someone else had either several (or many different ads for the same one) shiny shiny lovingly restored K bikes for $2k (I think). I had to skip past that ad for weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if it still hasn't sold & he's just taking a break.
 

Kornholio

:wave
As far as I'm aware, there's no specific service limit for the clutch on the R models. Indeed, there are many with over 100K miles on the clock and the original clutch. Especially on RTs and GSs since most people get on the highways with them and just go long distance without much use of the clutch. Per a video I watched by Ari Henning ( :laughing ), the clutch really wears the most when it's being used...as in slipping it.
 

bobl

Well-known member
As far as I'm aware, there's no specific service limit for the clutch on the R models. Indeed, there are many with over 100K miles on the clock and the original clutch. Especially on RTs and GSs since most people get on the highways with them and just go long distance without much use of the clutch. Per a video I watched by Ari Henning ( :laughing ), the clutch really wears the most when it's being used...as in slipping it.

Unless the rear main seal starts leaking.
 

davidji

bike curious
Clutch replacement is relatively easy on the newer, wet clutch R bikes. There it involves removing the front engine cover, rather than splitting the engine & gearbox. No more >=10hrs labor.

Those aren't the bikes being sold at bargain prices though.

One that seemed like a good deal to me used is the K1600 line. If you need a heavyweight tourer. I also remember looking at a K1300 bikes (GT probably) on Craigslist when I was commuting. I think I would have chosen K1300R, but I don't think we got those. Whichever bike it was, I decided it didn't meet my needs.
 
In the early 2000s an early 80s bike seemed so old, now a 20 year old early 2000s bike doesn't seem so old. I wonder why that is.... I swear 20 years ago back then isn't the same as it was then!

FYI, I did buy an early 80s bike for $2,500 back then. Old bikes are old bikes, with the exception of a few collectable or those with a cult/trendy following.
 

Climber

Well-known member
In the early 2000s an early 80s bike seemed so old, now a 20 year old early 2000s bike doesn't seem so old. I wonder why that is.... I swear 20 years ago back then isn't the same as it was then!

FYI, I did buy an early 80s bike for $2,500 back then. Old bikes are old bikes, with the exception of a few collectable or those with a cult/trendy following.
The difference in technology between 1980's bike and 2000's bike is significantly greater than the difference between a 2000's bike and current bikes.

For one, carb to EFI, which is significant. Also, the longevity of bikes has significantly improved.
 

sjuels

OldMan
I wish I had the opportunity to buy the old R bikes available today, when i was young - i know how it sounds.
But you can get really good deals, if you are willing to learn to work on beemers, that will give you so much joy.
And with all the forums and beemerboneyard, you have all the possibilities to get into some fine riding for little money.
One of my beemers is an old R1150R, which has almost no book value, but is still an amazing bike to ride.

The adventure awaits!
/Soren
 
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