TROUBLESHOOT:KTM 690 Duke Helll(p)!!!

Gabe

COVID-fefe
My pal Al had a similar issue with his 2009 690 Enduro. He finally gave up and is installing a carb. I'll have him check this thread and put in his 2 cents.

I love riding KTMs, but the issues I hear about them make me quake with fear. You are brave, hearty men to ride such finicky beasts.
 

Maddevill

KNGKAW
My pal Al had a similar issue with his 2009 690 Enduro. He finally gave up and is installing a carb. I'll have him check this thread and put in his 2 cents.

I love riding KTMs, but the issues I hear about them make me quake with fear. You are brave, hearty men to ride such finicky beasts.

Hey, my KTM isn't giving me any trouble right now.....it won't start. :teeth

Mad
 

horsepower

WaterRider/Landsurfer
Any update on this?

I wish. The Rottweiler pump arrived so I brought it to the shop.
The KTM story has to be put on hold for a bit though because the owner’s little 10 year old son was involved in a terrible Go-Cart racing accident in LA; poor kid is fighting for his life right now. :(
What could I say after that but take your time.
 
Hey there. Gabe tagged me in.

I've had a 2008 KTM 690 Enduro for about 10 years. It's a hard bike to keep running because the throttle-by-wire and EFI implementation kind of sucks.

I haven't seen any mention of these two resets - you should google these.

--> Throttle reset. When you switch on the key, (as the tach is self-testing) roll the throttle open and closed, all the way. Switch off the key.

-->. 15-minute idle reset.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/15-minute-idle-clarification.487468/

Here are the top issues with it:

1) Fuel pump -- it's a sub-size, in-tank fuel pump. The OEM pump burns up the brushes and puts a black smut inside the tank, clogging the filter and injector.
It's also **very** sensitive to contamination introduced via the filler cap, there are fine mesh filter socks that install in the fuel filler to combat this.

There are now non-OEM fuel pumps available, such as CA Cycle Works. No matter which pump you use, they absolutely do not like to be run out of fuel: the fuel returning from the regulator cools the pump. Without an adequate volume of fuel, the pump overheats.

--> Normally, the fuel pumps don't *quit* ... they degrade over time, and this could be the cause. I recommend a replacement pump. I actually have 3 on hand, so PM me, I'll give you a great deal!

2) If the OEM fuel pump has shit the bed and contaminated the fuel with the degraded brushes, then there is almost a 100% certainty that you need to clean the injector.

--> Based on your description, I'd recommend cleaning the injector. Google/YouTube "clean fuel injector" - in a nutshell, you need a can of carb cleaner & a 9v battery.

3) In tank fuel line. There are 2 fuel lines (a high pressure output and a low-pressure return) plus electrical. The fuel lines are quite rigid, and kink easily. They need to be looped correctly and pushed to the left side of the tank when reassembling the fuel pump.

--> This is a cautionary FYI when you replace the pump.

4) Wiring harness. The wiring harness is known to rub and short near the headstock, and roughly at the intersection of the tank and frame on the right side, and also below the battery box - it's a bundle of about 50 wires, it's the diameter of a golf ball, and presses hard against the frame.

-->. It's sort of random what fails when this happens, and it's often very sporadic errors, not like you describe. Typically, it will start throwing random EFI codes on the dash which are false, so check grounds before you start replacing parts.

5) Bad grounds. On the frame next to the upper right tank mount is where the wiring harness grounds to the chassis. The big-heavy wiring harness jiggles and eventually frays the ground wires right at the ring connector. This is a fucking stupid location because you have to remove the tank to service it.

--> I recommend servicing all the rub points and the chassis ground while you have the rear tank loose... it's a PITA to get to.

6) Fuel filtration - there is a fuel line that goes from the regulator to the throttle body and runs on the left side of the chassis just under the seat.

--> I recommend adding a fuel filter and a filler sock to avoid future contamination issues.

With all that said, sometimes the sensors do go bad. I'd recommend downloading the service manual and testing them.

Here are a couple of good resources on ADVrider.com:

https://advrider.com/f/threads/new-and-improved-ktm690-wunderfest.722987/

https://advrider.com/f/threads/the-ktm-690-enduro-thread.1048049/page-654#post-40594452

https://advrider.com/f/threads/ktm-690-efi-2008-2013-idiots-guide.931664/
 

WoodsChick

I Don't Do GPS
My pal Al had a similar issue with his 2009 690 Enduro. He finally gave up and is installing a carb. I'll have him check this thread and put in his 2 cents.

I love riding KTMs, but the issues I hear about them make me quake with fear. You are brave, hearty men to ride such finicky beasts.

I have a KTM 690-owning friend who also replaced all the FI/fuel pump shittiness with a carb. He also had to dive through the seven rings of hell to fix KTM’s classic subpar wiring harness shittiness, too. Ready to Race my ass.
 

Z3n

Squid.
Quick note - while all of what Al said above is accurate for the 690 Enduro / SMC platform, the Duke models don’t have subframe gas tanks and the ground and wiring harness routing locations are different. All good things to check, but the design and pinch points are different, and because they’re street bikes over off-road bikes, they tend to hold up a bit better.
 
Hey there Ms. T!

I was trying to remember who that was.

Was it Guy?

I have in hand the Rally intake boot, a 41mm FCR, and a programmable ignition from a Czechoslovakian outfit, IgniTech, that is said to run off the stock EFI flywheel.

All that's left is pulling metric poop-loads of EFI wiring & sensors out of the harness.
 

fufo47

Well-known member
Just park the bike over in the Mission District, leave it with the key on and walk away. Tell your insurance that they stole it, get the cash and buy a new bike and live happily ever after...
 

horsepower

WaterRider/Landsurfer
You are absolutely correct!
When is he NOT right?:cool
Thanks for all the continued great suggestions and parts deal offers.
As stated , I did already buy a Rottweiler pump for it and once installed will be sure to always keep the tank as full as possible, if it runs afterwards.
Hopefully they will have it back on soon.
This whole KTM misadventure is making me appreciate my flawless Honda.

Question again is : Should I put the PC5 back on it considering that removing it did nothing and the PC5 can be set at zero map if I return pipe and air to stock ????? Or should I just keep it off?
 

horsepower

WaterRider/Landsurfer
Just park the bike over in the Mission District, leave it with the key on and walk away. Tell your insurance that they stole it, get the cash and buy a new bike and live happily ever after...

:laughing:laughing Brilliant.
 
Honestly, I'd just try to make it run stock before messing around with any of that stuff.

Also, I'd appreciate a heads up on the date and location of the Mission dump site. :)
 
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Gabe

COVID-fefe
Honestly, I'd just try to make it run stock before messing around with any of that stuff.

Are you sure? Doesn't this look like fun? Even the error codes have error codes.

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WoodsChick

I Don't Do GPS
Hey there Ms. T!

I was trying to remember who that was.

Was it Guy?

Yes! Funny thing is shortly after he bought it he was telling us about some issues it had. I told him we had a friend in Fallon, NV with one and he loved it when it was running but that it was a total piece of shit about 90% of the time. Guys says "Oh, shit...was his name Bob?" Sure wish he'd talked to us before the purchase. We could've saved him some time, money, and heartache. But this is not a rare scenario, the next one probably wouldn't have been any better. I miss Guy.
 

WoodsChick

I Don't Do GPS


It's just stupid stuff. How long has KTM been attaching their kickstand bracket to the engine cases on the ADV's? It was a stupid design flaw when they first started it yet they've continued to do it for years and years. I had to relocate the CDI box on my 450 EXC because the fork tube would hit it. KTM used an internal hex bolt for drain plugs on the bottoms of the EXC motors and they fail prematurely. Look up any one of these things and you''ll find aftermarket solutions galore.
 
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