Gary856
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I haven't watched the vid yet, but the image you posted implies it.
You should watch the video to understand the context.
I haven't watched the vid yet, but the image you posted implies it.
There are a lot of people out there who belabor things that don’t matter much. The excessive focus on the “smoothness” of transitioning off the gas and onto the brakes is one of these areas, IMO.
But transitioning off the front brake and onto the gas without seesawing the bike is an important skill for racing. For street riding, maybe not.
where in the video did Bret mention that?
Interesting points. So for street riding, you recommend no blending at all?
image from Nick Ienatsch (bought his book a while back, still need to read it )
https://www.n2td.org/trail-braking/
"The confused “safety experts” in this country would have everyone believe that speed and safety are mutually exclusive"
It's "garbage" when you disagree with the words, but fail to think thru the message. His point on "blending the controls" is to keep tension on the driveline, both front and rear. We should get out of the one dimensional thinking that what racers do on tracks is what street riders should do on streets. "the whole point of braking is to slow down" is an example of the one dimensional thinking; it also affects front-rear weight balance, thus traction. The street is infinitely more varied than tracks, I assume you would agree to this, and Brett was teaching street techniques.
Agree with this (as long as we’re leaving out the idea of overlapping the gas and brakes). Would say it matters on the street too.
Watching telemetry of the world’s top riders usually reveals a very quick, progressive transition from brakes to gas, with no overlap.
Agree with this (as long as we’re leaving out the idea of overlapping the gas and brakes). Would say it matters on the street too.
Watching telemetry of the world’s top riders usually reveals a very quick, progressive transition from brakes to gas, with no overlap.
[snip] If the rider is overlapping by a few hundredths, that's nowhere near the overlap being advocated in the diagram.
Got it - yes, agreed. Maybe I'll have to watch the long video to see more about what he's advocating - I only watched the 9 min one.
u meant podcast.
33:05 is where he talks about blending in the podcast...
https://brettkacs.com/trail-braking/
So far, everyone providing positive anecdotes for overlap are NOT advocating 50% throttle & 50% brake like the diagram above shows. That's a good start.
That's depending on if people watched the video and listened to the part where Bret described what was meant by "50% throttle" (actually 100% throttle is where he explained it.)
I agree with you somewhat that the diagram is not the best. But basically both in the video and podcast, he is essentially talking about very slight blending.
Anyways, good discussion, I am learning a lot in this thread. :thumbup
More terrible diagrams! Not all instructors are created equal, especially when it comes to converting known concepts into instruction into diagrams!