Reanimating a greybike RVF400 (NC35)

Sharky

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pressure test to try and find an external leak. milky oil will signal a more serious leak. If still underdetermined do a compression test followed by a leakdown. Personally, I would make sure it's got oil and water and take it out for a ride close to home. See what happens when you actually run it and dust off the internal cobwebs.
 

RVFRick

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Too bad bike is registered non op and it's nowhere near safely rideable - tires are ancient, no indicators, mirrors, transmission status unknown, brakes untested, police station few blocks away, etc. :(

I will rev it the driveway and irk the neighborhood.

Dumb question: I just got the proper Pitbull stand pin for the single sided swing arm. So can I safely run it through the gears with the engine on?
 

Maddevill

KNGKAW
To me it does sound like you have a dead cylinder. If you can reach the header pipes see if one of them is cold. Those V4 motors are really smooth when running right.

Mad
 

Krooklyn

Usual Suspect
To me it does sound like you have a dead cylinder. If you can reach the header pipes see if one of them is cold. Those V4 motors are really smooth when running right.

Mad

Check your spark plug gaps. I had that happen (only running on 3 cylinders) after I put in new plugs and assumed the gaps were all ok. Turned out one was not. The plugs on the RVF are very small and easy to mess up.
 

Maddevill

KNGKAW
I read that you ran the motor with the vacuum line off cylinder 4. I'll bet that is the dead cylinder. When you run off an separate tank you have to plug that vacuum port.

Mad
 

RVFRick

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Session 48: Where there's smoke there's no fire

It lives!:teeth:thumbup

the part that was damaged earlier velocity stack?.. looks repaired?
I gently "massaged" it back to shape buy burnishing it with the domed heel of a screwdriver handle.

I have done that with no ill effects.
:thumbup I'll try not to slip off the stand and wheelie into a tree.

To me it does sound like you have a dead cylinder. If you can reach the header pipes see if one of them is cold. Those V4 motors are really smooth when running right.
Mad
Did exactly this and you're right. I owe you a chicken dinner. Them pipes get hot btw! Tip: spray water onto pipes and watch for evaporation. Wish I learned this earlier. Good thing my finger tips weren't melted smooth. I found cylinder 2 noticeably cooler then the others. Tip 2: don't run the bike for 5 minutes and try this. The dead circuit feels hot anyways from adjacent cylinder's output. This method works within 1 minute from a cold start.

I read that you ran the motor with the vacuum line off cylinder 4. I'll bet that is the dead cylinder. When you run off an separate tank you have to plug that vacuum port.
Mad
Yeah, I thought this too - the unplugged vacuum line open to atmosphere would make for a lean mixture or something weird. Not the case it seems - I ran engine and used my finger to plug unplug, plug, unplug, etc. No noticeable difference in how the engine sounded at least for my limping engine. I clamped the rubber hose closed with a hemostat anyways.

For those who are curious, the RVF400 uses a skinny rubber vacuum line from cylinder 3 to open the fuel cock: no vacuum = no fuel flow.

Check your spark plug gaps. I had that happen (only running on 3 cylinders) after I put in new plugs and assumed the gaps were all ok. Turned out one was not. The plugs on the RVF are very small and easy to mess up.
Will do. I have thus far only checked for spark using one of the old plugs cleaned up. First order test that's easier than removing buried plug from the forward plug from the engine. I see spark on #2 so maybe you're right. I may need to pull the the plug and measure gap and test for spark.

Before that though I bit the bullet and pulled carbs back off. Tore into carb 2: check idle jet, idle mixture screw, float valve, and float height. All looked fine to me. Odd how I used to be all careful and cautious now I just rip stuff apart and not worry about dribbling gasoline all over my work table and breathing fumes :nchantr

Buttoned all back together but ran outta time to reinstall and hook cables back up.

Next session: carbs back on and fire up. If still bad, will inspect spark plug #2.

Also want to consider compression testing. I went to O'Reillys to buy a Bosch one but it only goes down to 10mm threads - the RVF requires a rather dainty 8mm. Will search online for a compression tester set with the appropriate size or buy one of them separate adapters I found.
 
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Kestrel

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60 and 70 are aspect ratios not widths so would make for a taller sidewall and overall larger diameter wheel.

Did you mean to run a 130 rather than 120 up front?

You're right - it's one of those weird misnomers that I keep repeating while know it is incorrect :laughing

I'd still just run the 120/70-17 and not worry about it. Raise the forks in the triples slightly to compensate for the added height from the taller sidewall.
 

RVFRick

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You're right - it's one of those weird misnomers that I keep repeating while know it is incorrect :laughing

I'd still just run the 120/70-17 and not worry about it. Raise the forks in the triples slightly to compensate for the added height from the taller sidewall.

Thanks for clarifying. :thumbup

Still curious to know why you'd still run for non-spec aspect ratio of 70 rather than 60. Cost, selection, ride characteristics, etc.? :confused
 

RVFRick

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Session 49: Sockets tamed and spark plug inspection

Friday night and my daughter's posse needed a ride to MV to grab dinner. I readily obliged figuring I'd use the time to sneak off to the bat cave. For tonight's session I first took on my Craftsman socket set from hell. I've cursed about the case organizer for 25 years - sockets fell outta their slot and took 5-10 of reorganizing EACH time it was opened. Mother F'er! Harbor Freight holders to the rescue and I finally banished that POS plastic suitcase to the recycle bin :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

RVF time. I used a 13mm deep socket on an extension and extracted the suspect plug from the cylinder 2. Apologies for the crap pics. The plug was oily around the threads but the electrode was dry and cleanish I think.

I'm untrained on how to interpret plugs so lemme know if anything looks suspect.: |

I cleaned the plug with acetone, a rag and a toothbrush. Feeler gauge to measured the gap (0.6-0.7mm is the spec). It was set correctly. I reinstalled the plug - finger tight and then 30 degrees of turn (Haynes recommendation for a previously installed plug).

When slipping on the plug wire I didn't feel the multiple clicks of the wire contact on the plug thread tip. Only two clicks. Made me wonder if this was the problem - was the wire's rubber boot flange preventing full insertion onto the installed plug. Was the boot hindering sufficient electrical contact engagement with the plug? I wiggled the boot further up and away to add clearnacet. My second attempt of plug install I heard and felt the affirmation of multiple clicks as the wire slid home.

I was ready to move on to the carb reinstall when I was summoned to taxi the kids home. The joys of parenthood and having a minivan. Next time reinstall carbs and start-up.
 

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Pushrod

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A dark curse on the designers of 'presentation' tool cases made of molded plastic. May they live for an eternity being forced to use the boxes they designed while working on complicated machinery.
 

Kestrel

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Thanks for clarifying. :thumbup

Still curious to know why you'd still run for non-spec aspect ratio of 70 rather than 60. Cost, selection, ride characteristics, etc.? :confused

Mostly selection. There are still manufacturers making great sport rubber out there in 120/60. 70 is a little more compliant when pushed.

But looking at the full spectrum of 17" super sport rubber - while some makes/models can be found in 60, *all* makes/models can be found in 70... if that makes any sense.
 
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RVFRick

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Your observation that the front cylinders seemed hotter than the rear might have something to do with you checking two inches from the exhaust port in front and nearly a foot away at the rear.

So what else has to happen before you can ride it for a few miles?
Of course! Was too excited to notice :laughing

Tires, antifreeze, double check fasteners, register DMV.

Sounds good. Get it together and let's go for a ride.
Glad to hear a fellow RVF owner validate the sound.
When I get it together (literally and figuratively!) it's :ride:ride:ride
 

Killin_ix

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Friday night and my daughter's posse needed a ride to MV to grab dinner. I readily obliged figuring I'd use the time to sneak off to the bat cave. For tonight's session I first took on my Craftsman socket set from hell. I've cursed about the case organizer for 25 years - sockets fell outta their slot and took 5-10 of reorganizing EACH time it was opened. Mother F'er! Harbor Freight holders to the rescue and I finally banished that POS plastic suitcase to the recycle bin :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

A dark curse on the designers of 'presentation' tool cases made of molded plastic. May they live for an eternity being forced to use the boxes they designed while working on complicated machinery.

I have the same tool box and that happens to me once every other month. Glad to know it's not only me. :rofl
 
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