is this illegal to have on your possession..?

[V4]

so I'm taking again my old martial arts and one of the tools we practice and train with is this:

not like I'm gonna carry it in public but with fellow students, we were wondering what category would this fall into if stopped by the law....

the blade will be covered of course....

thnx..

 

[weasel]

Maybe in a locked box behind you otherwise NFW :wtf

You can't (from what I understand) even carry a baseball bat unless you have like a glove or cleats or some other BB equipment.

 

[Pking]

so I'm taking again my old martial arts and one of the tools we practice and train with is this:

not like I'm gonna carry it in public but with fellow students, we were wondering what category would this fall into if stopped by the law....

the blade will be covered of course....

thnx..

....sex toys-chains & whips. :laughing

 

[Entoptic]

If you put it in a backpack and leave it on the ground


OMG UNATTENDED BAG!!!!!!

 

[Burning1]

If it was covered, it would be probably be under Penal Code 12020:

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:

(3) The possession of a nunchaku on the premises of a school which
holds a regulatory or business license and teaches the arts of
self-defense.
(4) The manufacture of a nunchaku for sale to, or the sale of a
nunchaku to, a school which holds a regulatory or business license
and teaches the arts of self-defense.

I taught martial arts for a few years. As far as I know, the Kama and the Kusarigama are both legal in California. With that said, I would recommend either keeping it in a locked case for transport, or asking your instructor if it can be stored in the school. If a police officer were to see it, it could be used as justification to search your vehicle. Likewise, I could see someone make the argument that the Kusarigama is a form of Nunchaku.

 

[enki]

Legal or not, looks like something that could get you shot.

 

[orbframe]

If it was covered, it would be probably be under Penal Code 12020:



I taught martial arts for a few years. As far as I know, the Kama and the Kusarigama are both legal in California. With that said, I would recommend either keeping it in a locked case for transport, or asking your instructor if it can be stored in the school. If a police officer were to see it, it could be used as justification to search your vehicle. Likewise, I could see someone make the argument that the Kusarigama is a form of Nunchaku.

as a 10 year vet officer with about 0.0 knowledge of a kusarigama (thanks wikipedia for telling me what it was!) i agree with your advice...

reading wikipedia and knowing 12020 i can see it appears legal... but hypothetically say this was a week ago and I had never seen this post, as would happen if you are stopped by an officer with no knowledge of this weapon.... It would depend on the type of officer, your demeanor, etc... Locking it up and explaining you're transporting it locked for training purposes in a kind and respectful manner *should* get you through a-ok. If someone tries to confiscate it you could politely explain the weapon does not fall under 12020 PC... if this isn't getting you anywhere just know you'll be able to retrieve the weapon once it filters into the court process..

 

[weasel]

"any cane sword"

Damn, I hope I don't hurt my knee again. I used mine for almost a week, it's the only cane I own.

I didn't carry it on my bike though.

BTW, that kusarigama is bas ass. I collect swords and other old weapons and I wants a real one :teeth

 

[T-1 Thunder]

You can't (from what I understand) even carry a baseball bat unless you have like a glove or cleats or some other BB equipment.

One of the concepts introduced in a court case of mine on a charge of possession of "illegal weapon" dealt with my fish-beater. I bought this at a Flyin J truckstop, it was a tire knocker. I used it to beat Halibut and Salmon.

In my case, the logic of the court and arresting officer was that since there were scuff marks on that little club, it shows that I used it in practice for hitting. Therefore it was considered a weapon.

If a baseball bat has marks on it from you hitting a tree or something, the bat is more likely to be considered a weapon.

On the flip side, I am unsure whether the absence of said marks would automatically qualify it as legal.

 

[erok18]

You can't (from what I understand) even carry a baseball bat unless you have like a glove or cleats or some other BB equipment.

like these guys! they're a-ok! :laughing

i love that movie.

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

While it's a bit of a ride from the Bay Area to Orkney in Scotland - here's a news article from Orkney from today's online news that shows that just about ANYTHING can be called a "weapon":

Kirkwall man in court appearance

A 21-year-old man appeared from custody at Kirkwall Sheriff Court this afternoon.

Carl David Matthews appeared on a charge of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a leather belt, in Burnmouth Road, on Saturday.

Matthews, of 31 Kiln Corner, Kirkwall, allegedly assaulted a man, at the same location, by striking him with the belt, to his injury.

Defence agent, David Edgar, told the court that he wished to view CCTV footage of the incident, before submitting a plea on behalf of his client.

Matthews was released on bail, and the case was continued without plea until June 9.

​

 

[enki]

Any 4x4 should carry one of these if you go offroad much. Is it illegal?

 

[T-1 Thunder]

Any 4x4 should carry one of these if you go offroad much. Is it illegal?

Actually, most of the time it is required by law. Seeing how most wheelers don't just go for a day and end up camping and having a campfire - the fire permit requires you to have a shovel. Not to mention burying your poop when you go(unless you're on the Rubicon, then you should use wag bags and portable toilets or else me and a bunch of other people have to pick up your poop and toilet paper later).

For what it's worth, I have always had one of those with me, in the countless encounters with local sheriffs and federal forest LEOs.

I can safely say you are in the clear with that.:thumbup

 

[bojangle]

That would be illegal under 12020 P.C. under the definition of a slungshot. This is the same section used for "getback whips" that have a metal clasp at one end carried by some 1%er clubs.

 

[Burning1]

bojangle,

I read up on the slungshot. Yep. It appears to fit that description well enough that an over zealous officer or DA could easy cause you a shit load of trouble if so inclined. This generally falls under the category of 'you probably won't have any trouble, but this gives an officer or the DA reason to prosecute you or throw you in Jail if they don't like you.'

 

[Burning1]

The problem with PC 12020: It seems to be written in such a way as to provide officers an avenue to arrest gang members. Many types of common gang weapons appear in the PC. In theory, I think it's a good idea. Unfortunately, the law has been abused to arrest and prosecute many people who are both uninvolved in gangs, and who have legitimate reasons to own weapons covered by the code.

The Nunchaku section provides some help for Martial Arts schools, but doesn't go nearly far enough in it's protection.

 

[Kenshin]

Kusarigama (kusari=weighted chain, kama=hand scythe) are altogether illegal in california. Can't even order one online and have it shipped here for a personal in-home collection legally, so i can't imagine them being legal to carry. Nunchaku are also illegal to carry. It would probably qualify as a nunchaku but if all you're looking for is the weighted chain, there is another Japanese weapon called the manriki-kusari which is a chain with weights on both ends instead of a weight on one end and a kama hand-scythe on the other.

The kusarigama dates back to the shinobi warriors of feudal Japan, most of whom were poor country farmers that couldn't afford Japanese swords so they would convert their farming implements into weapons. The kama hand scythe was originally a feudal Japanese farming tool, just like the majority of other shinobi weapons. There's always threading your bandana thru a heavy padlock and calling it a day, which has the advantage of plausible deniability should you get busted for carrying an illegal DIY blackjack.

so I'm taking again my old martial arts and one of the tools we practice and train with is this:

not like I'm gonna carry it in public but with fellow students, we were wondering what category would this fall into if stopped by the law....

the blade will be covered of course....

thnx..

 

[Kenshin]

Well duh OF COURSE its a weapon in police eyes if you use it as one!

also in reference to the cops in scotland or whatever busting dude and calling his leather belt a weapon; it's not like they pulled him over for failing to signal and saw his belt and said "oh we've got an illegal weapon here" - dude removed his belt outside a bar and beat one of his fellow patrons silly with the buckle. Of course they're gonna qualify it as a weapon if you run around drunkenly using it as one. He obviously wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[scootergmc]

You must be new here. Did you find us by happenstance or just googling odd weapons?

 

[Kenshin]

You must be observant here

"You must be new here"

Gee, ya think? You must be bordering on literate to have deduced that! Boy oh boy, we've got a real clever individual here.

Honestly, finding the forum by googling Japanese weaponry and finding the forum by "happenstance" are technically one and the same; but since you seem to think it matters... I actually stumbled across the question that started this thread while searching for a Japanese Nihonto dealer willing to illegally ship an antique kusarigama to california. And since nobody had mentioned that kusarigama are indeed completely illegal even for in-home private collections here in CA, i thought i'd offer up that pertinent information for the benefit of the individual who originally inquired.

Yet you showed up & decided it was appropriate to mock me/make me feel unwelcome for my consideration, compassion and effort? Classy.