ADV/DS ride Lake Berryessa/Knoxville OHV/Rayhouse Rd.

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alien
Nice! Man...those 990s sounded like they were just taking a walk. They seem like great off-road/DS bikes and tank-like in their progression over the terrain...like, they will just keep going and going.

I always have to stop and watch when someone on a 990 goes by on a dirt trail. It's like watching a Lockheed C-5 Galaxy take off and land.
Seems to defy physics.
 

Iceman9r

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Get y'er ass cheek hanging off the outside... dab that rear brake...get on the gas before the turn, back her in.. and square it off! :wow Energizer26 is quite proficient in the dirt... probably just forgot he was off pavement while manhandling his VStrom... so just for the camera, it looked like he decided to spend all $10 by 'hanging off'/dragging elbow for a change, and going wide for a 'decreasing radius, off camber turn'. :rofl Besides it was Passover, and he wanted to check out Heaven in case the Rapture happened before Easter.

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For all you heathens that were pushing to schedule this ride on Easter Sunday: That's Iceman9R on a Cagiva! :shocker OMG a Cagiva Elefant! Now why can't the Multistradas do that? I'm taking you Sac boys up on that offer to ride the snow up in the Sierras!

My Jewish friends now think I'm an ignorant Gentile for scheduling the ride on Passover... and the Sabbath!

Stop the press! mnb is selling tires that work in the dirt.

Well we don't ride in the snow after it has drop below freezing up there a couple of times. Right now it is well above three feet deep to get to any of the good places, With more coming! That and all the gates to get to the good area's are closed.

When snow is that deep and has frozen acouple of times it's unrideable. You go a couple of feet and break threw the top layer and have to dig out. Best time is when it fresh snow. Lots of tracktion and side ways all the time.

We will get a ride up for you folks to join us on after things settle down a bit. There are some real good loops that can be strung together for a good day of riding. We wont have any problems showing you folks around.

And then again there are those water crossing's....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbwrcE-UzSc&list=UUAKlgdeLjIy6ZQgHpeNP3lw&index=2&feature=plcp
 
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Hoologan

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Hey seavoyage, thanks for letting us tag along. Nice chatting with you at the roadhouse afterward too. Cheers.
 

Drgnkne

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Nice! Man...those 990s sounded like they were just taking a walk. They seem like great off-road/DS bikes and tank-like in their progression over the terrain...like, they will just keep going and going. You picked pretty good lines over the washouts/water ruts.




Wait, you didnt air down??! Make that priority #1 next time. Even if you just take the front down to like 20 F/R it'll be a huge improvement over street pressures.

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IF your riding a Big Bike like a 990 you don't want to Air down... the reason is the bike is so heavy that rim damage will occur. Most of us Run 35 PSI street and dirt..

dont ask me how I know.
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NHESS81

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IF your riding a Big Bike like a 990 you don't want to Air down... the reason is the bike is so heavy that rim damage will occur. Most of us Run 35 PSI street and dirt..

dont ask me how I know.

Well, you 990ers also ride like Coma and Despres circa the good Dakar years....I take your advice, but still think a few PSI down on a VStrom rider would help...lol...
 

mnb

Obliterates Stereotypes
You can air down on the big bikes, just don't air down to 20... 24 would be the lowest I'd go.

And most importantly!!! AIR BACK UP! Running low pressure on the street is a sure way to overheat your tires and cause them to wear faster.

And yes, I am selling tires. There's a thread in the classified section. I'm dropping off the 606s tonight and I think the TKCs are spoken for, but the Karoos are available and a set of Shinko 705s, which are the most street oriented of the tires I was selling (but still a wide groove in the tread). The Karoos are dirt bike sized (90/90x21 and 140/80x18) and the shinkos fit an F800GS (90/90x21 and 150/70x17). If you need tubeless, let me know, I can double check if they'll work for you.
 

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alien
The manual for my 690 says 22psi for offroad. Which seems way too hard when I run that so I run 14-16 and installed a rim lock. I know a guy with same bike and he's using the tubliss system. It's effectively a full circumference rim lock and he runs under 10psi.
As everyone knows tires are a factor. Got me some fresh new MT21's. Seems like a stiff sidewall, second set and no rim damage yet.
 

Leo_jb

City boy
Someone a few posts back asked what tires we were running on the KTMs. Both Kyle and I have the stock Pirelli on the rear (its an 80-20 at best). I can't speak for Kyle, but the big KTM chews through dirt tires way too fast for my wallet, so I've stuck with the Pirelli's. I am currently running a TKC-80 on the front, and Kyle has a Karoo. Similar tread patterns, stick pretty well in the street once you get a couple hundred miles on them. I didn't air down from my usual pressure of 36 psi, and I don't think Kyle did either.
 

revnort

Tasty Pants
The manual for my 690 says 22psi for offroad. Which seems way too hard when I run that so I run 14-16 and installed a rim lock. I know a guy with same bike and he's using the tubliss system. It's effectively a full circumference rim lock and he runs under 10psi.
As everyone knows tires are a factor. Got me some fresh new MT21's. Seems like a stiff sidewall, second set and no rim damage yet.

I usually don't air down my tires, but I did for this ride and regretted it. I went down too much in the front. Was worried about bending the butter soft F800 rims...and taking quite a few hard hits from those ruts. Seems like the larger bikes like more pressure for some reason. It handles better too.

Unless the terrain is soft(sandy, silty, mud) I prefer full street pressure.
 

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alien
I usually don't air down my tires, but I did for this ride and regretted it. I went down too much in the front. Was worried about bending the butter soft F800 rims...and taking quite a few hard hits from those ruts. Seems like the larger bikes like more pressure for some reason. It handles better too.

Unless the terrain is soft(sandy, silty, mud) I prefer full street pressure.

I did a short ride just this past weekend about 10miles in dirt road to get to a dry lake bed. I tried leaving the tires at 22psi but it didn't feel good over the gravel sections.
I dropped it to 16 and much better. What i dont like is then having to ride home on the street with the lower pressure. Of course a simple fix would be to carry a small bicycle pump.
Your bike is nearly 100lbs heavier than mine so for sure you need to run them higher but I would think the street pressure would be a handful.
 

Iceman9r

Well-known member
I air down on mine from time to time. Dose ride better under some conditions.
I also carry a elc. air pump that plugs into the battery tender when needed.
 

revnort

Tasty Pants
I did a short ride just this past weekend about 10miles in dirt road to get to a dry lake bed. I tried leaving the tires at 22psi but it didn't feel good over the gravel sections.
I dropped it to 16 and much better. What i dont like is then having to ride home on the street with the lower pressure. Of course a simple fix would be to carry a small bicycle pump.
Your bike is nearly 100lbs heavier than mine so for sure you need to run them higher but I would think the street pressure would be a handful.

I carry a pump (electric) so airing up is no problemo. As stated above airing down helps in some terrain but most of the the time not necessary for me.
 

barefootbob

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We hit the Berryessa/Knoxville rd last weekend but we went from North to South, didn't go through the dirt part though, I still need to get a skid plate and crash bars. You guy's come frome the south so we would have to get up mighty early to make it to your starting point but sounds like a fun group ride.
 

seavoyage

grunt n00b
We hit the Berryessa/Knoxville rd last weekend but we went from North to South, didn't go through the dirt part though, I still need to get a skid plate and crash bars. You guy's come frome the south so we would have to get up mighty early to make it to your starting point but sounds like a fun group ride.

We can always meetup at our different check points: See OP for details.

Stragglers: For those that can't get up at O Dark thirty in the morning... isn't that the reason Starbucks follows the word 'Beyond'? Try to catch us on the way:

First checkpoint: intersection of CA-121 and CA-128 (Poser's 38.445632 -122.196448 ) ~ 9:45AM (depending on how fast we strafe CA-121.)

Second checkpoint: South Entrance to Knoxville OHV on Devilshead Rd. off Morgan Valley Rd, (38.824697 -122.354908 or N38.79.013 W122.21.182) ~ 10:30AM if no one drowns in the several water crossings on the Northend of Lake Berryessa. Chance to empty bladder and suck in the fresh air... and for the posers to excuse themselves by staying on the slab to make Lower Lake for lunch.

Third checkpoint: Reiff Rd./Rd-40 and Morgan Valley Rd. (38.875733 -122.424216) Probably 12 Noon. Had enough dirt? break off and head out on slab.

Fourth checkpoint: Cache Creek Bridge in Cache Creek Regional Park (38.915212 - 122.318602) off CA-16. 1:00PM Ditto: Had enough dirt? break off and head out on slab.
 
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barefootbob

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At the end of Berryessa/knoxville rd from Lower Lake we came to 128 and took a left and that took us to 121. I noticed a big parking lot on my left, I believe there was a small restaurant and maybe a small store but big parking lot on my left. Would the be first ck point?
 
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