701 sm

[stan23]

I hate you Stan

Anyways, i got off early today and loaded the map and went on a 20 min ride. The rottweiler map is so much better on my bike. The pc map felt a lot lazier. I glanced over both maps like you and noticed the same thing, the pc map is richer than the rott one. I wonder how much our 2 different environments (you in relatively dry CA and me in relatively not TX) have to do with that.

Anyways, i'm glad you think the intake/pc5 was worth the expense. I still don't. Guess i'm just glass half empty :laughing

BUTTTTT, in other news, i did get a chance to use the helmet mount set up i put together for my gopro the first time so guess it wasn't a complete waste of time


youtu.be/raqQcOmvAZI

haha, sorry man. I guess different bike/conditions, etc matter!

Nice wheelie brother, doesn't seem like your bike is lacking any power:thumbup

 

[JesasaurusRex]

haha, sorry man. I guess different bike/conditions, etc matter!

Nice wheelie brother, doesn't seem like your bike is lacking any power:thumbup

All good homie :thumbup

Know what, if i didn't think the bike was already over priced I guess it'd have been a bit of an easier pill to swallow. Another $700 on top of what's already a few grand more than it should be was just kinda yuck. I've got over 3000 miles on it now and most of that is on the rott map. Trying the pc5 map felt noticeably down on power. My thinking is the factory map is already leaner than both the maps we're using but my bike/environment doesn't like as much fuel which is why it didn't feel like it picked up on as much power since it went from lean to a bit richer. Your bike/environment needs the fuel and you went from lean to a lot richer so your bike picked up more. Just speaking out loud here

Anyways, i still think you should give the -1 a try. Probably the easiest mod to install out of all the ones you've done so far.

111mph with the -1 and 130 with the 0...or so i've heard :teeth

 

[Junkie]

Do you have straight gas there, vs E10 here maybe?

 

[JesasaurusRex]

Do you have straight gas there, vs E10 here maybe?

every once in a blue moon you can find a gas station with straight gas but most of it is E10. High octane is all 93 though and E85 isn't too hard to come by.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

I just spent a little more time than i initially did and compared maps side by side and the 2 maps are almost identical with ignition advance exactly the same @ everything above 4250 rpm. rott seems a c*nt hair richer

which rott map do you have stan?

 

[stan23]

All good homie :thumbup

Know what, if i didn't think the bike was already over priced I guess it'd have been a bit of an easier pill to swallow. Another $700 on top of what's already a few grand more than it should be was just kinda yuck. I've got over 3000 miles on it now and most of that is on the rott map. Trying the pc5 map felt noticeably down on power. My thinking is the factory map is already leaner than both the maps we're using but my bike/environment doesn't like as much fuel which is why it didn't feel like it picked up on as much power since it went from lean to a bit richer. Your bike/environment needs the fuel and you went from lean to a lot richer so your bike picked up more. Just speaking out loud here

Anyways, i still think you should give the -1 a try. Probably the easiest mod to install out of all the ones you've done so far.

111mph with the -1 and 130 with the 0...or so i've heard :teeth

Someday i'll throw on the 15, but right now the bike just plain rips as is. I love it. Reminds me of my favorite SM ever, my 08 510 SMR. I just got gas today 110 miles with 2.2 gallon used, exactly 50mpg, so IMO, good fueling.

I 100% agree with you on the price, but there is nothing really out there that compares. This is the first bike that feels like a racey SM, but can cruise 80 and feel like a twin. So smooth.

I paid $9999 for my '18 with 50 miles on it.

I just spent a little more time than i initially did and compared maps side by side and the 2 maps are almost identical with ignition advance exactly the same @ everything above 4250 rpm. rott seems a c*nt hair richer

which rott map do you have stan?

OK maybe the ignition advance is what my bike doesn't like. I have the rott map with ignition timing, the one they sell on their site.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

I'm saying the pc5 03 map has the same timing as the rott one (also ignition advance).

Anyways I'm done worrying about it, putting it on a dyno and tuning it there is really the only way to know if the intake and pc5 are worth it.

Just gonna ride it and be happy

9999? You should be arrested

 

[stan23]

I'm saying the pc5 03 map has the same timing as the rott one (also ignition advance).

Anyways I'm done worrying about it, putting it on a dyno and tuning it there is really the only way to know if the intake and pc5 are worth it.

Just gonna ride it and be happy

9999? You should be arrested

:thumbup

I think i'm going to throw on a motominded headlight and be done.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

I really like the midwest engineering clutch lever for what it's worth. Im about done too, maybe some suspension tuning but that's it.

 

[DTM74]

Free if someone needs a spare seat. Rear sticker came off and front is beginning to peel. I have a Seat Concepts and OEM BNIB so this is gonna get tossed...

Located in Fairfield.

 

[endeavor]

Brembo 15 RCS upgrade

More brake lever adjustment and better brake feel. I also still have fully functioning ABS system.

 

[erok81]

Since you guys are talking about the Rottweiler intake/pcv have any of you had issues with it? I emailed them and they are looking at it, but figured I’d ask here too.

I got mine all installed with the ingition map and air intake (with slip on) and it’s surging a lot like I’m in too low of a gear. Happens slightly at maintenance throttle and more so when initially accelerating.

It took me a while to figure out what was wrong. This weekend I could hold a line worth anything. The bike was all over the place in corners. After a ton of testing on road I figure it’s the throttle.

I tried unhooking the o2 simulator (or whatever it’s called) but the issue still seemed to be there. Tune only has about 90 miles.

Or has everyone’s tune gone well and I’m just lucky?

 

[cg_ops]

Since you guys are talking about the Rottweiler intake/pcv have any of you had issues with it? I emailed them and they are looking at it, but figured I’d ask here too.

I got mine all installed with the ingition map and air intake (with slip on) and it’s surging a lot like I’m in too low of a gear. Happens slightly at maintenance throttle and more so when initially accelerating.

It took me a while to figure out what was wrong. This weekend I could hold a line worth anything. The bike was all over the place in corners. After a ton of testing on road I figure it’s the throttle.

I tried unhooking the o2 simulator (or whatever it’s called) but the issue still seemed to be there. Tune only has about 90 miles.

Or has everyone’s tune gone well and I’m just lucky?

What map are you using?

 

[erok81]

What map are you using?

The one provided by Rottweiler. He gave me another file to reflash to see what does.

Side note: I think my clutch slaved died. Less than 5k miles too.

 

[stan23]

Since you guys are talking about the Rottweiler intake/pcv have any of you had issues with it? I emailed them and they are looking at it, but figured I’d ask here too.

I got mine all installed with the ingition map and air intake (with slip on) and it’s surging a lot like I’m in too low of a gear. Happens slightly at maintenance throttle and more so when initially accelerating.

It took me a while to figure out what was wrong. This weekend I could hold a line worth anything. The bike was all over the place in corners. After a ton of testing on road I figure it’s the throttle.

I tried unhooking the o2 simulator (or whatever it’s called) but the issue still seemed to be there. Tune only has about 90 miles.

Or has everyone’s tune gone well and I’m just lucky?

I don't have any issues like that. Are you on the first gen motor or 2nd gen one?

I would unhook the PCV and put everything back to stock and see if you have any issues stock.

The latest PCV does not include an 02 eliminator. It was mentioned by PCV that it is no longer needed.

I am using PC's 003 map and it is incredible.

 

[cg_ops]

The one provided by Rottweiler. He gave me another file to reflash to see what does.

Side note: I think my clutch slaved died. Less than 5k miles too.

Unless he reached out to someone and got an updated version, Chris is using an autotuned map for the 690/701. When I was at SpeedMob he had asked me to send him a copy of my map to use for his site (he offered to pay for it). I ended up leaving SM and never got back to him. So I'm not sure if he ever got a custom map or if it's still the auto.

When I had Will at MWorks tune mine, I had already put the rottweiler into it. He was confused by the wild variations between fueling increments and figured it must be indicative of an auto-tuner.

Here's mine before we finished the last 20%. I never got the final map, sadly. (Stopped tuning after 80% throttle b/c of blown head gasket)

Final/current map added a couple hp up top and softened the bottom end for easier slow/parking lot maneuvering.

 

[Woody146]

More brake lever adjustment and better brake feel. I also still have fully functioning ABS system.

Niiiiiiice!!! Looks killer man! Bet it stops on a dime!

Down the line, I was thinking about doing this! Where Did you get the brake line extension and the resivor and bracket?

 

[erok81]

I don't have any issues like that. Are you on the first gen motor or 2nd gen one?

I would unhook the PCV and put everything back to stock and see if you have any issues stock.

The latest PCV does not include an 02 eliminator. It was mentioned by PCV that it is no longer needed.

I am using PC's 003 map and it is incredible.

It’s a 2018 so I’m guessing 2nd gen?

Yeah I’m planning on unhooking the pcv to see if it’s the intake install or the pcv that’s causing the problem.

Exactly on the o2 eliminator. I was really confused when I installed mine. Rottweiler said install it but PC’s site says not to. I tried with and without abs it’s pretty much the same issue.

If my slave hadn’t died this week I’d do more testing. Parts won’t be here until Monday so looks like next weekend I’ll test again.

Unless he reached out to someone and got an updated version, Chris is using an autotuned map for the 690/701. When I was at SpeedMob he had asked me to send him a copy of my map to use for his site (he offered to pay for it). I ended up leaving SM and never got back to him. So I'm not sure if he ever got a custom map or if it's still the auto.

When I had Will at MWorks tune mine, I had already put the rottweiler into it. He was confused by the wild variations between fueling increments and figured it must be indicative of an auto-tuner.

Here's mine before we finished the last 20%. I never got the final map, sadly. (Stopped tuning after 80% throttle b/c of blown head gasket)

Final/current map added a couple hp up top and softened the bottom end for easier slow/parking lot maneuvering.

That fine tune looks good. The map he gave me is just the same one that’s already on the PC. Just reflash same map and see how it goes.

You guys have me half tempted to try a PC map now.

 

[endeavor]

Niiiiiiice!!! Looks killer man! Bet it stops on a dime!

Down the line, I was thinking about doing this! Where Did you get the brake line extension and the resivor and bracket?

I can now trail brake better with the new master. The master has two adjustments for standard brake feel or stronger brake feel. I am very happy with the upgrade. As an added bonus, the front ABS does not kick in as often when I brake to a stop at the bottom of a steep hill.

Parts list: I bought all these parts from CarpiMoto.

1. 110A26385 Brembo RCS brake reservoir kit (comes with the bracket)
2. 170101 Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter
3. C.110A26390 CarpiMoto Clamp with Mirror adapter for Brembo RCS Master Cylinder

A tip-you need to mock-up the brake reservoir container so you can determine two things. One, how much of the hose you need to cut-off so you do not have a kink or pinch in the hose from the reservoir to the brake master. Two, so you can bend the reservoir bracket slightly so that the reservoir sits horizontal while your bike is fully upright. Be careful when you are bending the bracket back and forth so that you do not cause a stress fracture.

Another tip-don't reuse the copper washers between the banjo bolt and the master. Use the thicker stainless steel washers that came with the Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter.

 

[Woody146]

I can now trail brake better with the new master. The master has two adjustments for standard brake feel or stronger brake feel. I am very happy with the upgrade. As an added bonus, the front ABS does not kick in as often when I brake to a stop at the bottom of a steep hill.

Parts list: I bought all these parts from CarpiMoto.

1. 110A26385 Brembo RCS brake reservoir kit (comes with the bracket)
2. 170101 Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter
3. C.110A26390 CarpiMoto Clamp with Mirror adapter for Brembo RCS Master Cylinder

A tip-you need to mock-up the brake reservoir container so you can determine two things. One, how much of the hose you need to cut-off so you do not have a kink or pinch in the hose from the reservoir to the brake master. Two, so you can bend the reservoir bracket slightly so that the reservoir sits horizontal while your bike is fully upright. Be careful when you are bending the bracket back and forth so that you do not cause a stress fracture.

Another tip-don't reuse the copper washers between the banjo bolt and the master. Use the thicker stainless steel washers that came with the Fren Tubo Universal radial master cylinder adapter.

Thanks man!

I guess another way is buy new front lines that are the correct length.