Would Marc Marquez dominate on any other bike?

[kevin 714]

Why would they have to do anything? Unless you think Vinales, Quartararo, and Zarco are better than Marquez. I don't think they would have to do anything. More h.p. would be nice, but look what Qboy is doing with that bike. I think MM can corner even faster. Hell, he saves corner crashes with his elbow or knee as often as I drink Chianti. And that's a lot. :gsxrgrl

You have a Laverda? This was my obscure reference. They started as a tractor company.

youre wierd obsession with countering everything is puitting blinders on you, my comment was pro marquez.

over a full season I believe ducati and suzuki would provide the required development for a full on season long title charge. I think yamaha would drop the ball, and not allow marquez to best take full advantage of his talent. they wouldnt adapt to his feedback

 

[stangmx13]

nothing in the past few years has shown me that Yamaha has learned how to build a quality bike for the current tires using the current electronics. and thats y they've poached engineers from Duc and Pramac. maybe they finally realized they dont know how :laughing

 

[kevin 714]

nothing in the past few years has shown me that Yamaha has learned how to build a quality bike for the current tires using the current electronics. and thats y they've poached engineers from Duc and Pramac.

exactlt. mm would win on that bike by sheer talent, but a season long title fight would be much harder, than on the zook or ducati

 

[WorldSBK]

This is the point I was trying to make. Honda threw all their eggs in one basket (albeit the correct basket), but I wonder if he would still be as dominant on another platform.

I think he would adapt quickly and know how to manage the strengths and weaknesses of the new bike. If the new bike is so lousy, MM wouldn't make miracles though.

 

[clutchslip]

youre wierd obsession with countering everything is puitting blinders on you, my comment was pro marquez.k

Welcome back. I still can't talk to you, without some stupid insult, can I? And it's "your" not "you're".

I don't have blinders on. I look at the statistics and they say that Yamaha makes a damn good race bike. I stated my case in the first post. Try looking at the results some time. It shows again in Australia how good the Yamaha is, already. Some people don't want to believe that the Yamaha is competitive because Rossi isn't doing that well. I suspect that is your issue.

My discussion in this thread is ending with this proof that Marquez would win on just about any bike.

youtu.be/3O1eMzEZkn4










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[scootergmc]

You have a Laverda? This was my obscure reference. They started as a tractor company.

They started as an implement company. Their ag line if there still is one??? is now owned by Agco, who also own the American Oliver/White brands via acquisition.

 

[budman]

That was a sweet save!!

 

[kelsodeez]

yeah, seeing marquez save lowsides all day gets boring. that was a straight up full on high side that he pulled back down and rode it out. im not a marquez fan at all but that was pretty insane

 

[stangmx13]

I wonder if MM runs larger steering stops than other riders.

most race bikes have larger steering stops. it can prevent damage in a crash, mostly by keeping the bars off the bodywork, dash, and tank. supposedly, it can also help a rider catch a front slide because the bars won't tuck as far. maybe MM is using even larger stops.

however, if that were true, im sure all the other Honda riders would have the same. and they still cant catch the front end like that.

 

[budman]

Interesting take.

Maybe they supplement the stops with magic Mark rubber.

I think he has a higher sense of feel of what the tires are doing.. he has too. The Dude is a MotoGP magician.

 

[stangmx13]

I suspect Marc tucks the front more than anyone else on the grid, by a wide margin too. that'd generally mean the opposite, that he lacks feel and feedback from the front tire. but theres prob more going on. hes the only one that regularly brings a front tuck back. so hes probably learned that he can tuck it and not crash, making him willing to tuck it more often in search of speed.

if he had amazing feel, perhaps he'd never tuck the front in a race, especially when leading. but we have seen him do that a few times. Valencia in front of Zarco. crashes at PI. and more. or maybe thats just red mist taking over.

all this is prob why the RCV is a shit bike for everyone else. the limit is found by crashing it, not by creeping up to the edge. no one else is willing because they actually crash and will eventually get hurt.

 

[Map8]

^^^ Good analysis.

That makes sense. Simon reported during FP2 which was the first dry session last weekend (PI) that when Zarco came in after a few laps and said he couldn't feel the front end. That was his first feedback after riding the RCV in dry conditions. I laughed out loud. What else was anyone expecting him to say?

 

[Shaggy]

^^^ Good analysis.

That makes sense. Simon reported during FP2 which was the first dry session last weekend (PI) that when Zarco came in after a few laps and said he couldn't feel the front end. That was his first feedback after riding the RCV in dry conditions. I laughed out loud. What else was anyone expecting him to say?

It seems like the M1 is the only bike with front end “feel”....

Didn’t Jorge say the same about the Duc?

 

[stangmx13]

The M1 and Suz float into corners. The Duc, RCV, and KTM hammer in and hammer out. The Ape is an unknown to me.

 

[JakesKTM]

Interesting take.

Maybe they supplement the stops with magic Mark rubber.

I think he has a higher sense of feel of what the tires are doing.. he has too. The Dude is a MotoGP magician.

I would like to see an in-depth interview with him over this very topic. Did he gravitate toward sliding the bike and pushing the front end down at an early age and how did that develop? What was his focus? Was he just trying to avoid the massive highsides?

I would think solving the problem of throwing a massive highside by controlling the bike in a slide, particularly a low slide, would reward a rider with both reduced risk of major career ending injury and allow the rider to push the bike harder in front and down low, constantly edging a crash without crashing.

Others have voiced their concern that he is bound for a massive crash. But honestly I think it will never happen the more he learns to rescue the bike after it has lost all grip.

Looking at old footage from Moto2 he was pushing the bike there too, saving crashes and riding super loose on the edge.

 

[budman]

A real in depth analysis of his skill and style by past champs and applicable physicists would be fun.

It has been touched on but some science, some analysis and opinions by the best ever would be fun.

 

[stangmx13]

Racers dont avoid a highside by pushing the front. Those are two distinct parts of the corner, entry vs exit. If you are still pushing the front when trying to get on the throttle, you fucked up and are going slow. Or you will crash the instant you touch the throttle as load and grip is transferred from the front tire.

Some riders use throttle overlap to finish corners, applying some throttle while still slightly on the brakes to induce spin. But that isn’t for every corner and eventually takes load off the front tire.

 

[rob linders]

I remember reading Miller was following Marquez and watched him go out with a hard front and lean about 20 degrees, then force the bars to full lock to test the traction and get a feel for his bike.

Amazing that he can do this on purpose to find the edge and usually not crash.

 

[Shaggy]

I remember reading Miller was following Marquez and watched him go out with a hard front and lean about 20 degrees, then force the bars to full lock to test the traction and get a feel for his bike.

:wow