Would Marc Marquez dominate on any other bike?

[Shaggy]

Seeing the other Hondas struggle weekly has made me wonder if MM93 would do just as well on another factory bike (except KTM or Aprilia). Or do you think he has become so accustomed to the Honda that he can’t ride anything else, similar to Lorenzo on the Yamaha vs Ducati/Honda.

I doubt he’d ever leave Repsol, but it would be interesting to see him take on the challenge of a new platform.

 

[clutchslip]

I constantly say that it's MM more than the Honda winning all these races and championships. This year, not only does his bike have more USEABLE h.p., but he is actually smoother on it. He is the only one that makes the Honda look that easy, however.

Watching Fabio and Maverick on the Yamaha, I think MM could best either of them. He leans farther and picks up the bike faster and can brake very late. Although, MV has improved his corner exit a lot. As well as FQ is doing, I don't believe he is another Marquez. If FQ is battling him on the last corner, I am sure if they swapped bikes, MM would be right there, too.

A couple of years ago, Marquez rode the Honda very much like you see Dovi and company ride the Ducati, so I don't think he would suffer much if he went there, either.

I don't understand the Suzuki, since Rins has two wins, but is usually an also ran as the season has worn on. I am uncertain how much MM would have to change to ride it.

He might not have a season like this one, but I am confident he would still be battling for the championship on any reasonably competent bike.

 

[budman]

I have little doubt he would still win.

 

[kelsodeez]

It depends on the bike. put him on a ktm or an aprilia in the state they are in and he will struggle to make the top 5. put him on a duc or a yam and his talent will always bridge the gap between him and other riders on the same bikes.

 

[NSR500]

Probably on any bike minus the Aprilia.

 

[Biga]

Honda made a custom bike for MM93
I think it would be interesting to see MM93 working with other manufactures as of development.
I doubt MM93 would win right out of the first race.

 

[Shaggy]

Honda made a custom bike for MM93

This is the point I was trying to make. Honda threw all their eggs in one basket (albeit the correct basket), but I wonder if he would still be as dominant on another platform.

 

[Busy Little Shop]

For a rider to dominate they must feel the bike is there for them to get into a
side and more importantly a way out of the slide... in other words ride in
complete harmony to push the maximum...


youtu.be/QTD27Lkde10

 

[RightCoastBias]

I imagine so, given he has a somewhat competitive bike. I'd imagine he could ride any bike better than any other factory/sat team's top rider.

Regardless, I really hope he leaves HRC one day and proves it. I imagine it'll happen at the end of his next contract (2022), when he's got 8-9 MotoGP Championships with Honda.

 

[clutchslip]

Honda made a custom bike for MM93
I think it would be interesting to see MM93 working with other manufactures as of development.
I doubt MM93 would win right out of the first race.

This is the point I was trying to make. Honda threw all their eggs in one basket (albeit the correct basket), but I wonder if he would still be as dominant on another platform.

Only Honda makes a special bike and only for Marquez? How did they do that before he entered MotoGP. He won the championship his first year in MotoGP, ya' know.

This doesn't make much sense and it really doesn't matter.. If he gets a special bike now, he will definitely get a special bike if he moves. And if he doesn't get a special bike then he can win on a Tractor. (Probably true). Riders have their own pit crews that usually work for ONE rider. Lorenzo and Rossi put up a wall so no one could steal settings. It doesn't mean they each had custom bikes. They just set-up their bikes differently. Very common stuff.

And if hiring a 5 time world champion as a second rider is putting all your eggs in one basket, I am very confused about how big this Repsol basket must be to hold Lorenzo and Marquez.

 

[JakesKTM]

MM would crash more OR ride slower (relatively speaking) unless and until a bike could be built to his riding style. The beautiful thing about motorcycle racing is that the bike is as important as the rider

 

[fuldog]

MM would crash more OR ride slower (relatively speaking) unless and until a bike could be built to his riding style. The beautiful thing about motorcycle racing is that the bike is as important as the rider

I think the rider is MORE important than the bike. Ask Casey Stoner

 

[stangmx13]

I suspect any change of factories would look a lot like 2013. he might not win the first race, but he'd win quickly.

any factory that can afford to hire him will be able to afford plenty of off-season testing to get him a bike he can ride. we've seen every single year hes been in GP that he can still win on a bike hes not happy with. '13 the bike wasn't made for him. '15-'17, the Honda front end was meh and their drive was lacking. he still won tons of races.

 

[kevin 714]

mm would win the title on the zook and ducati, on the yamaha he'd win a ton but I question the teams ability to adapt to him

 

[kevin 714]

I think the rider is MORE important than the bike. Ask Casey Stoner

once tires were even he was fucked. bstones played a huge part in the ducati title (not discounting casey hes one of best ever)

also that was a decade ago. lots has changed

 

[scootergmc]

And if he doesn't get a special bike then he can win on a Tractor. (Probably true).

He could rent my tractor.

 

[JakesKTM]

once tires were even he was fucked. bstones played a huge part in the ducati title (not discounting casey hes one of best ever)

also that was a decade ago. lots has changed

I think he was referring to Stoners first year on the RC213V which was the year he retired. His previous year in the RC212V was a first year championship on a new factory ride. The Honda is a machine above all others. MM would suffer on another bike.

And I agree he was on of the best. I truly wish he would come back and ride the RC213V and see if he could take it to MM:/

 

[scootergmc]

The Honda is not a machine above others. If that were true then the other Hondas would be consistently better than the Yamaha. If not for MM, a Yamaha would be taking this year's title. Ducati still can't get out of their own way.



MM puts the machine above others.

 

[stangmx13]

The Honda is not a machine above others. If that were true then the other Hondas would be consistently better than the Yamaha. If not for MM, a Yamaha would be taking this year's title. Ducati still can't get out of their own way.

MM puts the machine above others.

agreed on Honda. the championship point totals disagree with the rest.

Dovi is 55pts ahead of Mav and Rins tied for 3rd. the chances of Dovi choking that bad AND either of them beating MM more than once are slim.

Dovi is 30pts behind his highest ever point total from 2017. he'll likely surpass that. there is one extra race this year though. it will be tougher to score 30pts in 2 rounds as he needs at least 2 podiums. he has 1 podium at PI and 2 wins at Sepang previously. so its possible.

edit: bad math

 

[clutchslip]

mm would win the title on the zook and ducati, on the yamaha he'd win a ton but I question the teams ability to adapt to him

Why would they have to do anything? Unless you think Vinales, Quartararo, and Zarco are better than Marquez. I don't think they would have to do anything. More h.p. would be nice, but look what Qboy is doing with that bike. I think MM can corner even faster. Hell, he saves corner crashes with his elbow or knee as often as I drink Chianti. And that's a lot. :gsxrgrl

He could rent my tractor.

You have a Laverda? This was my obscure reference. They started as a tractor company.