What information regarding driving record do LEO's see?

Jungle Toy

Ummm...whu?
I got a ticket last summer while driving through Kansas. I wouldn't describe the officer as particularly "friendly", but he did go out of his way to inform me that if I just paid the bail on time, the citation would not appear on my California driving record. I was gullible; I paid bail in a timely manner, and learned the hard way that I was given false information. I have worked very hard to keep my driving record clear (it's not easy you know...), and now I have this one point from out of state.

My question is this: Will a LEO running a roadside check of my record see that this ticket was issued in Kansas?
Will most reasonable LEO's think..."clear record in Cal, but the poor sod got nabbed in Kansas...perhaps they could use a little sympathy" ;)
or "only a matter of time before we caught you in your evil ways at home"
 
I also wonder what they see when you pull you up on the computer.
Do they see each and every crime you've been convicted of?
Do they see each time you were arrested despite charges being dropped later?
How far back do their records go?

Is there room in their database for "notes", such as "This guy is cool, be nice to him"?
 

motorman4life

Well-known member
Let me take a shot at this.

Databases are databases. That is to say, you can only get out what is put in and you can only put in what the system will allow.

CJIS (Criminal Justive Information Service), CLETS (CA Law Enforcement Telecomunication System) (which is part of NLETS, National Law Enforcement Information System and accesses NCIC, National Crime Information Center) and most of the other systems we currently use are very outdated and antiquated. They were an attempt at merging multiple databases across multiple jurisdictions, with the primary goal being the sharing of information for Law Enforcement purposes. Sometimes this is done successfully and other times, it seems wholly inadequate, considering the job we are expected to do with it. There are steps being taken to revamp the system, as was done with NCIC 2000, between 1998 and 2002.

That said, there are multiple LOCAL databases shared by agencies regionally, by county, by OES district and within each city. In some cases, several cities may merge their local databases to share information on citations, field interviews, police reports as well as person and location information (hazards, prior contacts, associates, etc..)

So, to answer the original question; most states have reciprocal agreements with other states regarding DMV records. This is to say, some states share ticket and traffic court convictions, some do not. I could not tell you which states have reciprocal agreements with CA. If someone can find that, please feel free to post a link in this thread.

If there is a reciprocal agreement, it is possible but unlikely, that a CA cop would actually see the information during a routine stop. That is not to say that if they KNEW the information was out there that it could not be located or confirmed somehow. It is just to say, it is highly unlikely that they would see it during a routine traffic stop.. that is, even assuming they ran out your driving record at all during the course of a traffic stop.

Now, if you had a warrant or your license was suspended, that would be another story all together.

As for the second poster's question; some systems are designed to pull up all possible information when a plate, name, ID# or address are run. I mean, they run everything.. past contacts with any associated parties (past drivers and passengers, assuming that was documented), the criminal history of all associated parties, you name it. This means, on a stop it would run the registered owner, all drivers, owners and passengers previously associated with that vehicle within the system and the addresses of those people and all people associated with those addresses, all of their vehicles and all people associated with those vehicles and their addresses and their associates! It could go on and on, depending upon how many levels deep the administrator has chosen to go back. The usual depth is 3. Any more than that and it becomes a joke for a routine traffic stop. All of these queeries and returns take up bandwith and slow down the system for everyone.

Many local systems have access to notes, but keep in mind, under the freedom of information act, those notes are public record. As a result, if someone has AIDS or HIV, we are prevented from noting this in our contact notes, because it is a violation of medical privacy. I personally feel their privacy ends when all first responders are placed at risk.. hell, medical info. could be redacted, if necessary. But, the courts have held that we cannot track confidential medical information in a record that is open to public inspection.

Records go back a looooong way. Automated records usually go back to around 1990 (maybe earlier in some jurisdictions, later in others). Prior to automated records, there are "manual records." When you see, or are advised by dispatch that there is a "manual rap on file," this is an indicator that there is previous criminal history on file. Most major criminal stuff has been entered (at least the type of crime and maybe the disposition) so you have a clue as to whether you need to have the manual record pulled. We routinely pull all manual records/rap sheets for anyone we arrest and all (sex, drug and arson) registrants in our jurisdiction. Traffic records are purged 3 to 10 years after the conviction date, unless there was jail time served.. in which case, the incarceration would show longer, likely forever.

Lastly, all records can only be accessed in the course of an authorized police investigation. Doing so for personal reasons or as a favor for a freind, family member or for unauthorized purposes is a crime. I know of former officers that have been fired and criminally charged for CLETS violations over the past 6 years. Before laws pertaining to this were enacted, it was something that was done commonly and openly. Since the 1990's there have been policies and severe laws that have really cracked down on this stuff.

In case there is any confusion; running out DMV, criminal, probation/parole/registrant, wants/warrants and any local contact records for a driver, passengers and the registered owner, in the course of an infraction traffic stop (or better) is considered to be an authorized police investigation.
 

Mangoat

Well-known member
Ahh yes and don't think you overseas folk are clear. We also have access to INTERPOL :nerd
 

motorman4life

Well-known member
Try a freedom of information request at your local police department.

Request all accessable records, local, state and federal, interpol and any other record that can be accessed via CLETS, CJIS and NCIC, as well as any local (citywide, regional and county) databases.
 
But even if we request all the info - we wouldn't see any cool notes about us, like: "Don't mess with this guy, he's cool." right?
 

silversvs

Lean, Twist, repeat.....
I don't even worry about a driver's record on a regular basis. I see a violation, I cite for the violation.

Some people tell me they have a clean record. I tell them they are doing well and this ticket can be kept from their insurance company's eyes if they attend traffic school.

Some folks tell me that they can't afford a ticket since they have gotten one recently. I tell them they need to take a peek in the mirror and adjust their driving habits accordingly.

What they have or haven't done in the past really has no bearing on the violation I just observed.
 
I don't even worry about a driver's record on a regular basis. I see a violation, I cite for the violation.

Some people tell me they have a clean record. I tell them they are doing well and this ticket can be kept from their insurance company's eyes if they attend traffic school.

Some folks tell me that they can't afford a ticket since they have gotten one recently. I tell them they need to take a peek in the mirror and adjust their driving habits accordingly.

What they have or haven't done in the past really has no bearing on the violation I just observed.

That sounds nice and all, however - I would like to think that if you pull someone over that has a record of "meth", you would be inclined to ask them if you can take a quick look around and bust their nasty ass again if possible.
 

silversvs

Lean, Twist, repeat.....
That sounds nice and all, however - I would like to think that if you pull someone over that has a record of "meth", you would be inclined to ask them if you can take a quick look around and bust their nasty ass again if possible.


Thought the topic was "driving record" not criminal record.

Typically know a doper when I see one. Don't really need to run a records check to know that.
 

SpeedyCorky

rides minibikes;U should2
i heard recently from a fellow teacher, that they pull her over, run her plates, and have come back and knew that she was a teacher.

is there some kind of 'government employee' box that is checked when you guys look someone up? hence might be followed by "teacher" filled in below



i dont want to be jumping to any conclusions.... but she said she's gotten out of shit quite a few times this way. she kinda looks a bit sketchy, and drives a mustang with a 'burning man' sticker on the back........ *she's an 'artisit'* so she thinks she's being pulled over for being a suspected dealer, but they they find she's a teacher and just let her go :laughing
 
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