what does "setting up suspensions" entail?

jonko

Well-known member
Hi all,

Just bought a new bike which needs its suspensions adjusted. I understand adjusting sag and can probably do it myself, but what do you do about compression/rebound? Right now, they are all at the factory defaults, and it feels harsh. Is there any good rule of thumb? I'm a lighter guy at ~147lbs, so should I just soften compression an extra turn?

Would it make sense to pay someone to set it up for me?

Thanks for the advice,
Jon
 

jmonte35

Clean Concepts
Have it set up professionally and start taking notes NOW! Once you have a base line from a professional write down the settings, then you can make adjustments until you find out what you like and don't like. If you have things written down you can always go back to where you started with ease. Unfortunately with suspension you have to understand how the suspension and geometry effects hanling and stability. Its taken me really messing up my suspension for me to understand what I like and don't like. Take it to a pro to get a base line and take notes and ask questions don't just drop it off and come back. I weigh about as much as you and factory suspensions work well with light guys for the most part so you shouldn't have many problems there. Also don't think you can just soften compression because its stiff compression and rebound work together....sometimes that's the solution but I think you're are far from a minor adjustment than just one click softer on the compression side of your forks.

A few good guys come to mind look them up.

Dave Moss I forget his company name

Phil from Aftershocks

Jim Lindemann from LE Engineering - my personal favorite but all of the above has helped me tremendously at a very reasonable price.
 
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latrlg's

Old and Slow
Well, I assume that you bought the bike used. Do you think maybe the suspension has been worked on before? (i e fork springs/valving) Is it a stock shock in the rear?:ride
 

jmonte35

Clean Concepts
Well, I assume that you bought the bike used. Do you think maybe the suspension has been worked on before? (i e fork springs/valving) Is it a stock shock in the rear?:ride

Not really relevant unless he can tell us the exact spring rate than we can make a guess as to whether it suits him or not a better question would be are you planning to track your bike or keep it street those two types of riding require totally different set-ups....you still need to have it setup for you and a pro will be the one who can get you to a baseline or say that your springs/valving aren't gonna work for your weight/type of riding. Try it with what you have though.....I still have Dave Moss confused on my set up and why it works for me but it works for me. Everyone and every bike is slightly different all a pro can do is help you figure out what is right and wrong and help you go in the proper direction and get you a base line. From the original post it sounds as though it is stock.
 

Eagle1

Veteran
Hi all,

Just bought a new bike which needs its suspensions adjusted. I understand adjusting sag and can probably do it myself, but what do you do about compression/rebound? Right now, they are all at the factory defaults, and it feels harsh. Is there any good rule of thumb? I'm a lighter guy at ~147lbs, so should I just soften compression an extra turn?

Would it make sense to pay someone to set it up for me?

Thanks for the advice,
Jon

try this for your reading pleasure, yes, its from ohlins, but it still applies. lots of good info. to set sag, you will need 3 people, you on the bike, one to hold the bike and one to measure. should have a pro do it, then he can explain the adjustments etc...


Setting up your Bike
Introduction
All of Öhlins advanced suspension products are adapted to the brand and model. This means that length, travel spring action and damping characteristics, are tested individually just for the motorcycle that you have decided to fit with Öhlins suspension. Following instrucion can be found in the Owners Manualfor Road & Track Shock Absorbers.
Before installation
Öhlins Racing AB can not be held responsible for any damage whatsoever to shock absorber or vehicle, or injury to persons, if the instructions for fitting and maintenance are not followed exactly. Similarly, the warranty will become null and void if the instructions are not adhered to.

WARNING!
1. Installing a shock absorber, that is not approved by the vehicle manufacturer, may affect the stability of your vehicle. Öhlins Racing AB cannot be held responsible for any personal injury or damage whatsoever that may occur after fitting the shock absorber. Contact an Öhlins dealer or other qualified person for advice.

2. Please study and make certain that you fully understand all the mounting instructions and the owners manuals before handling this shock absorber kit. If you have any questions regarding proper installation procedures, contact an Öhlins dealer or other qualified person.

3. The vehicle service manual must be referred to when installing the Öhlins shock absorber.




Tuning the Suspension
Motorcycle road holding qualities
All motorcycles are designed with a suspension geometry that includes height and fork angle. The changing of components can affect this and it is therefore essential that both the rear and the front ends match each other.

Changing to Öhlins suspension gives optimum performance only when both the front fork and the rear suspension interact properly. It is of great importance that the front and rear loaded heights are within the specified values.





Design
All Öhlins shock absorbers are pressurised. The fluid is put under gas pressure and the gas and the fluid are kept apart by a separating piston. The separating piston is often fitted in a separate reservoir, connected by hose, or fixed directly on top of the shock absorber (piggyback).

There are also types of shock absorbers where everything is fitted inside the main cylinder tube (internal gas reservoir), and even a small number of emulsion shock absorbers that do not have a separating piston. Pressurisation of the fluid is made with nitrogen. The pressurisation prevents cavitation of the fluid and the shock absorbing action is therefore more even. The external reservoires also contribute to better cooling of the fluid, giving longer service life for both the fluid and components.

Öhlins shock absorbers have integrated temperature compensation. As the temperature increases and the fluid flows more easily, the flow is controlled accordingly. The shock absorbing effect is therefore independent of the temperature.

The more advanced models permit individual adjustment of compression damping and rebound damping, and also certain adjustment of the length of the shock absorber.

Öhlins shock absorbers provide the possibility for adjustment, making them adaptable to most motorcycles, riders and ranges of use. All of the shock absorbers have adjustable pre-loading of the spring action; either mechanically or hydraulically.





Function
Fluid is forced through needle valves at a low rate of flow (Fig.3) and through a number of apertures in the piston (Fig.4) at a high rate of flow. The flow through these apertures is regulated by shims (thin steel washers, Fig.5) that at high pressure are deflected to open for the fluid. On most models the needle valves can be set individually.

By altering the size of the shims stack (i.e. number, thickness, diameter) the characteristics of the damping action can be varied (this should only be done by Öhlins authorized service workshops).

Compression damping
When movement of the motorcycle causes compression in the shock absorber, the fluid flows through the needle valve (combined compression and return valve) in the piston rod. If velocity of the piston is high, i.e. in the case of rapid compression, this will not be sufficient and consequently the shims underneath the piston will open to allow a greater rate of flow (Fig.6).

The fluid that is displaced by the volume of the piston rod is forced into the external fluid chamber via a separate compression valve. Even this valve is fitted with shims that open at high piston velocity. The separating piston is displaced, thus increasing the gas pressure.

Rebound damping
When the spring presses the shock absorber out again, the fluid flows back through the needle valve in the piston rod. The fluid flowing into the chamber is forced by the pressure of the gas back into the shock absorber via a separate non return valve.

If velocity of the piston is high, the shims on top of the piston will also open to allow the fluid to flow though (Fig.6).





Settings
Basic setting
Always ensure that the basic setting made by Öhlins is correct. It is adapted to the make and model (in its original state) and for a rider of average weight.

Spring pre-load
Pre-load on the spring/springs is very important because it affects the height of the motorcycle and the fork angle.

Everything must harmonize
In the recommendation table there are Öhlins front fork springs that are specifically adapted to the shock absorbers recommended for your motorcycle.

If none is noted in the table, then "intact" original springs are the right choice. Incorrect spring action can produce a fork angle that is too steep or too flat. This in turn will give a tendency for oversteering or understeering, which could seriously affect the handling characteristics of the motorcycle.

Setting the Spring pre-load
Measuring
Proceed as follows (it will be much easier if done by two persons):

A) Place the motorcycle on a stand.

B) Raise the rear end of the vehicle so that the suspension is in a fully extended position.

C) Measure the distance, e.g. from the lower edge of the rear mud guard or from a point marked by a piece of tape, immediately above the rear wheel axle, to the wheel axle. (R1)

D) Make a similar measurement on the front axle, e.g. from the bottom of the upper fork crown to the front wheel axle. The fork must also be fully extended. (F1)

E) Allow the motorcycle (without rider) to apply load on the springs and repeat the measuring procedure. (R2, F2)

F) Then take the same measurements with the rider and equipment on the motorcycle. (R3, F3)



NOTE!
It is important that the rider has a correct riding posture, so that the weight is balanced on the front and rear wheel in the same way as when riding.

The measurements must not differ from the following sizes:

Without rider (static sag):
Rear: 10-20 mm (R1-R2)
Front: 15-30 mm (F1-F2)

With rider (ride height):
Rear: 25-40 mm (R1-R3)
Front: 35-50 mm (F1-F3)

NOTE!
Older gear shaft drive driven motorcycles (not para lever shaft drive) usually raise the rear end during acceleration. We recommend that the the static sag (R1-R2) is extended to 15-20 mm and the ride height (R1-R3) to 35–45 mm on these motorcycles.



Adjusting
Adjust the pre-load with the rings on the shock absorber or by hydraulic pre-loading. In the first case, hold the upper ring and adjust the lower one to the desired position (Fig.7A). Then lock with the upper ring.

For hydraulic pre-loading, increase by turning clockwise and reduce by turning counter clockwise (Fig.7B).

NOTE!
On shock absorbers that have mechanical type adjustment the position of the adjusting/pre-load rings can be adjusted. On a shock absorber that has hydraulic setting the basic position can be adjusted. Such changes should be attended to by an Öhlins authorized service workshop.



The original setting of the shock absorber, when delivered from Öhlins, should always be a base when the settings are changed by use of the adjustment devices.



NOTE!
The spring pre-load affects the ride height, it does not affect the spring stiffness. Therefore, on models with a linkage to the shock absorber, the suspension may actually feel harder when you reduce the pre-load and the shock absorber gets into the harder range of the link system.



Front fork springs
To optimize the road holding qualities of a motorcycle the front fork must match the rear suspension. Öhlins springs are available for a large number of motorcycles (Fig.8). These, in combination with

Öhlins shock absorbers, contribute to superior road holding qualities. The original make of springs should be used if there are none of our springs in the recommendation table. However, they must be in good condition and not fatigued. Remember to change the fluid in the front fork at least once every year. We recommend Öhlins front fork oil.



NOTE!
It is important that the recommendation table is followed for new front springs. If there are no recommended front springs you must ensure that the existing springs are in good condition. Neglecting to check the front springs could seriously affect the handling qualities of the motorcycle.

Setting the Damping
The adjusting possibilities of Öhlins shock absorbers facilitate fine setting. You can optimize adjustments to suit your own weight and equipment, your individual way of riding and the condition of the road. To be able to improve the road holding qualities it is of the utmost importance that you fully understand the functioning of the shock absorbers. Then you can learn by trial and error how they affect the motorcycle.

Depending on the model there are adjustments for rebound damping, compression damping and adjustment of the length of the shock absorber. Damping is set with knobs and screws with a normal right-hand thread. By turning them clockwise the damping action is increased, and by turning them counter clockwise it is reduced. The knobs have definite positions with noticeable "clicks", making it is easy to count to the right setting.

Rebound damping action affects the characteristics of the motorcycle most. The setting knob is located at the bottom on the piston rod (Fig.9). It can be adjusted in about 40 steps.

NOTE!
If no "click" is felt in the rebound adjuster, the shock absorber must be inspected by an authorized service workshop. It could be due to low gas pressure or lack of oil.



The compression damping knob is located at the end of the external reservoir (Fig.10). This can be adjusted in about 25 steps.

Some models (PRX) have separate adjusters for high speed compression and low speed compression (Fig.11). The low speed compression is adjusted in 25 steps. Use a slotted head screw driver.

The high speed adjuster has a wide range within about 48 clicks. Use a 14 mm key.

NOTE!
When making new adjustments it is easiest to go back to fully closed, and then count forward to the new setting. The adjusting device should not be turned too hard.

CAUTION!
The hexagon of a two way compression valve is naturally anodized aluminum. The high speed adjuster has a key width of 14 mm and a range of 48 steps (clicks). The low speed adjuster (slotted head screw) has a range of 25 steps.

The one way compression adjuster is gold anodized. The adjuster (slotted head screw) has a range of 25 steps. Do not turn the hexagon as this will allow for the oil to spurt out of the shock absorber.

NOTE!
High and low speed refers to the shaft velocity of the shock absorber. It is not necessarily related to the speed of the vehicle.

Setting your Motorcycle
NOTE!
Always begin with the basic settings recommended by Öhlins. Always make notes, adjust in small steps and make only one adjustment at a time. Adjustments should be made with two steps (clicks) at a time. Adjustments should not be more than four steps from the basic setting.

By utilizing the adjustment possibilities you can test by trial and error, and learn how they affect your motorcycle.

Always begin by test riding the motorcycle with all adjustments at their delivery setting. Choose ashort run of varying character, i.e. long and sharp bends, hard and soft bumps. Keep to the same run and adjust only one setting at a time.

Start with the rebound damping (Fig.12):
If the motorcycle feels unstable, loose and rather bouncy then the rebound damping should be increased. Begin by turning the adjusting knob 4 steps (clicks) clockwise. Test run again and adjust two steps back if it felt too hard and bumpy.

If the motorcycle is hard and bumpy, especially over a series of bumps, then the rebound damping should be reduced. Turn counter clockwise 4 steps, test run and make any necessary correction to 2 steps.

Compression damping (Fig.13):
The low speed compression adjuster affects ride height, smoothness over small bumps and grip. The high speed compression adjuster affects stability, firmness in depressions and fast corners.

If the motorcycle has a low riding position, the low speed compression should be increased. Turn clockwise four steps and test run again. If this was too much then turn back two steps (counter clockwise). If it feels unsmooth over small continuous bumps or has bad grip, the low speed compression should be decreased. Turn counter clockwise four steps. Test run and make any necessary correction in two steps at the time.

If the motorcycle feels unstable in fast corners and has a tendency to bottom easily in depressions and chicanes, the high speed compression should be increased. Turn clockwise six steps and test run again. If this was too much then turn back three steps (counter clockwise). If it feels harsh and too rigid or has a tendency to hop during braking, the high speed compression should be decreased. Turn counter clockwise six steps. Test run and make any necessary correction in three steps at the time.

When you have sufficient feel of the motorcycle you can make further fine adjustments. It is feeling and experience that counts.



NOTE!
Ensure that the springs are properly pre-loaded before attempting to make any adjustments. A simple rule is that increased pre-load of the spring should be followed by an increase of rebound damping by two steps.

When you feel that you have achieved an improvement, go back to where you started and check once more. Be observant of other relevant factors such as tyres, temperature, etc. Test run to make sure whether further fine adjustment should be made.



Setting the shock absorber length
Sensitivity of the steering can be adjusted by altering the length of the shock absorber, without affecting other characteristics. The length is adjusted using two nuts down and the treaded clevis at the end of the piston rod (Fig.14). The shock absorber can be adjusted up to 12 mm.



Adjusting the shock absorber length
A long shock absorber results in steeper inclination of the front fork (steeper fork angle) and consequently sensitive, quicker steering. A short shock absorber gives a greater angle of the front fork (flat fork angle) and consequently slower and smoother steering. Each complete turn of the shock absorber gives one millimetre (Fig.15). The length may never be altered more than to where the groove (Fig.16) that is cut in the thread becomes just visible under the lower nut of the level brachet. Make small steps and test run.
 
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latrlg's

Old and Slow
Not really relevant unless he can tell us the exact spring rate than we can make a guess as to whether it suits him or not a better question would be are you planning to track your bike or keep it street those two types of riding require totally different set-ups....you still need to have it setup for you and a pro will be the one who can get you to a baseline or say that your springs/valving aren't gonna work for your weight/type of riding. Try it with what you have though.....I still have Dave Moss confused on my set up and why it works for me but it works for me. Everyone and every bike is slightly different all a pro can do is help you figure out what is right and wrong and help you go in the proper direction and get you a base line. From the original post it sounds as though it is stock.
I was just curious what suspension components you have to work with, some of us don't need a "professional" to make a bike work. It is very good advice and it could be a simple fix or a more involved one. What your asking about (set up) is very complicated, And yes every bike / rider is different. :thumbup Good luck
 

jonko

Well-known member
Thanks for the good info Eagle1...

So I guess my real question is this. When you get your suspension set up by a pro, how does he set your compression/rebound? All he really has to go on is your weight, riding style, and anything he knows about the bike. Is there a chart he refers to, or just by guesstimate, or does he just leave it at the factory defaults?
 

Eagle1

Veteran
Thanks for the good info Eagle1...

So I guess my real question is this. When you get your suspension set up by a pro, how does he set your compression/rebound? All he really has to go on is your weight, riding style, and anything he knows about the bike. Is there a chart he refers to, or just by guesstimate, or does he just leave it at the factory defaults?

typically what he will do is push down on the suspension (each end) and see how quickly it responds (how fast it comes back up) then he will adjust each setting to get it to settle in about a second or so, you don't want your suspension to react to fast or to slow. it takes a practiced hand. try dave moss, evolution suspension etc.....
 

latrlg's

Old and Slow
set up

Rider input is also important, so pay attention to exactly what the bike is doing and communicate this to the suspension tuner. I am still curious if your bike is stock or modified.:confused
The info posted by Eagle1 should be very useful reading it and saving it will serv you well
 
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latrlg's

Old and Slow
Start by putting a zip tie around the fork leg so when the suspension moves the tie so you can see how much the wheel moves. Ride the bike. If your not using much travel the spring rate, fork oil level or both is too high. (This assumes that the harshness is coming from the front end without seeing the bike, is this the case?) Keep notes on how the bike feels before a change, what exactly you change, and how it feels after. This is a chance for you to learn and it will cost you very little to take some notes and think about the bike's reaction to changes.:thumbup
 
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