Waymo automated vehicle causes a motorcycle crash... but it's the human test driver's fault
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Numbers McGee
Are you serious? He was in his own lane. :wtf
EastBayDave
- Kawasaki Fanatic -
they ALL were responsible; they were going TOO SLOW! :afm199
FreeRyde
The Curmudgeon
Go ahead, pass someone on the right while traveling faster than the speed limit or the speed of traffic and get in an accident. See what happens when CHP shows up and witnesses corroborate your asshattery.
For example: I know a few folks that have been in the bicycle lane in SF, passing cars (on the right), car turns right into the bicyclist, bicyclist gets cited AND carted off to hospital.
Passing on the right is ILLEGAL.
And people wonder why traffic here is so fuct... : |
Out in Montana, would you ever pass a tractor trailer on the right? :wtf
For example: I know a few folks that have been in the bicycle lane in SF, passing cars (on the right), car turns right into the bicyclist, bicyclist gets cited AND carted off to hospital.
Passing on the right is ILLEGAL.
And people wonder why traffic here is so fuct... : |
Out in Montana, would you ever pass a tractor trailer on the right? :wtf
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RightCoastBias
F8TRED
If it were a 25, he'd have been going a whopping 3 mph faster than the limit, doubt any cop would give a fuck about that.
Waymo going 21 in a 25 is 1 vehicle of potentially many more and does not set the "speed of traffic".
It's possible the rider was traveling is his lane, at a sane speed and happened to pass the waymo vehicle in lane 2 due to the driver switching over to manual mode and slowing down. Instead of the rider passing to pass on the RHS.
Point being, many possibilities here. But, I miss being 20 something and knowing it all.
Waymo going 21 in a 25 is 1 vehicle of potentially many more and does not set the "speed of traffic".
It's possible the rider was traveling is his lane, at a sane speed and happened to pass the waymo vehicle in lane 2 due to the driver switching over to manual mode and slowing down. Instead of the rider passing to pass on the RHS.
Point being, many possibilities here. But, I miss being 20 something and knowing it all.
pregrid
wait, what?
Wait, what?
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Numbers McGee
Dude are you for reals? If not this is some A+ troll material here.
Are you suggesting that if someone is in the right lane and someone slows down in the lane to their left, that person in the right lane needs to slow down as well? Because that's what happened here... The article did not make it seem as if the rider was traveling behind the Waymo car in the center lane, change lanes into the right lane to pass, then got hit. Rather, it seems that the rider was, and always was, in the far right lane minding his own business.
Then there's the fact that you say he's speeding. He was going 28 MPH, in what's likely a 25 MPH area. Are you seriously suggesting 3 MPH over is really that dangerous?
I'm blown away at the mental gymnastics being used to prove the rider was at fault... on a motorcycle forum no less.
mean dad
Well-known member
It's a 3 lane street, and the motorcycle was in the farthest lane to the right.
What the fuck are you on about? :laughing
I am allowed to pass someone in the lane to my left. It is not illegal. Period.
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
"Vehicle Code - VEH
DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
CHAPTER 3. Driving, Overtaking, and Passing [21650 - 21760] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
ARTICLE 3. Overtaking and Passing [21750 - 21760] ( Article 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
21755.
(a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting that movement in safety. In no event shall that movement be made by driving off the paved or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(b) This section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
(Amended by Stats. 2010, Ch. 491, Sec. 40. (SB 1318) Effective January 1, 2011.)
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https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=21755
DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336] ( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
CHAPTER 3. Driving, Overtaking, and Passing [21650 - 21760] ( Chapter 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
ARTICLE 3. Overtaking and Passing [21750 - 21760] ( Article 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )
21755.
(a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting that movement in safety. In no event shall that movement be made by driving off the paved or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(b) This section does not prohibit the use of a bicycle in a bicycle lane or on a shoulder.
(Amended by Stats. 2010, Ch. 491, Sec. 40. (SB 1318) Effective January 1, 2011.)
"
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=21755
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Numbers McGee
So in your world someone driving on a road with 2 lanes going the same direction can troll the fuck out of people by going 10 MPH under the speed limit in the left lane, and no one can pass them? Come on man.
FreeRyde
The Curmudgeon
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Numbers McGee
The driver changed lanes unsafely. End of story. Again, your mental gymnastics are astounding.
R3DS!X
Whatever that means
Thanks for providing the CVC.
Yup it was unsafe passing that resulted in an accident. If only the rider had followed the law he wouldn't have gotten himself in such a pickle. Unfortunate
R3DS!X
Whatever that means
No, the rider was trying to perform an unsafe passing and the driver was changing lanes as he normally would. The rider was not in the driver's expectation of traffic.
tl;dr if there are multiple lanes, it's legal
if it's a business or residence district, it's legal even if there aren't multiple lanes
are you saying that, if traffic in the left lane slows down, and you're in a lane other than the left lane, you won't ever pass them?
your bicycle analogy is flawed as well:
Climber
Well-known member
WTF. There is some really lame mental gymnastics going on here.
What do people suppose happens when a self-driving car gets taken out of self-driving mode? Did it ever cross your self-righteous minds that the self-driving car would have slowed down? Nah, that would get in the way of your rant.
The car in the middle lane did an unsafe lane change. Period. Fault is with the Self-driving car and it's backup driver.
FFS, people, do some critical thinking instead of rushing to blame the rider!
What do people suppose happens when a self-driving car gets taken out of self-driving mode? Did it ever cross your self-righteous minds that the self-driving car would have slowed down? Nah, that would get in the way of your rant.
The car in the middle lane did an unsafe lane change. Period. Fault is with the Self-driving car and it's backup driver.
FFS, people, do some critical thinking instead of rushing to blame the rider!