tips on wheelies

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Triple Seven

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i just HAD to try with the new balance point. voila, you were absolutely right crawl. I sit back a bit (instead of before when i was in the center) and the thing kicks up with ease. i have a new found respect for my bike.
 
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StreetGrime

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Triple Seven said:
im 220 lbs. there is no way my bike will power itself up. i gotta clutch it in 1st. no other gear will even think of coming up.
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I weigh about 220-230 .. I have a feeling I am in the same boat.

I have a Ducati 916... when I had my R1 .. the front wheel would come up just when I got on the throttle a little too hard.

This damn thing never even gets light in the front.. its like its Nailed to the cement.
 
Sidewalk

Sidewalk

My bikes have pedals now
First let me say this, if you are not comfortable with the idea of doing a wheelie for any reason what-so-ever, then don't do it. A lot of that is just comfort with your riding in general. Odds are if you have the throttle and overall bike control that you need, you will feel comfortable trying to loft the wheel. It isn't an insult, just don't do what you are not comfortable doing.

I rode with some SBF guys today, and I didn't get a lot of criticism of my practicing from the experienced guy, so I am guessing I was pretty much on the right track. So, from personal experience:

-I always use the back brake for normal riding, I don't for wheelies.

-I prefer to clutch them up. Though I have gotten better at power ups, I am more comfortable using the clutch. I understand that is rare.

-Most of my failed attempts were from leaning forward. Towards the beginning I didn't notice it, but I eventually did. It still took a while to stop leaning forward. You don't lean back either, just sit comfortable.

If I can power wheelie a Buell X1, that supports the author stating that you can power wheelie any modern 600+ bike. The X1 puts down about 80 HP, and is heavy.

You are not going to go from total novice to riding stand-ups for miles on end in one day, so don't push it, just have fun.

To reiterate, the original posted intructions are for good riders who want some tips at how to wheelie. My tips are as a good rider, just learning how to wheelie.

The 1000RR is known for being a planted bike, and heavy for its class. Obviously it has more then enough power to loft the wheel at anything around 100 MPH or less (from experience), it is also known for being a crap stunt bike. I have no intention of hitting the balance point on this bike. Just having some fun (good for freeway on ramps :D) and getting even more throttle control experience (you can never have enough throttle control on a liter bike).
 
racerx510

racerx510

The Mechanic
yzf600r wheelies, yeah bro sitting far back helps, im a slimer rider so i tend to molest the tank but that way u have to bounce it which hurts your back, i sit towards the passenger seat contour and it comes up pretty cool but standing a little on your pegs and arpund 6k jus gun it with a small bounce it'll come up nice, its hard for me to do it and keep my brake covered so i bent my brake so its within reach to tap it, careful at night though bro
 
Flap

Flap

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Adower said:
That gary rothwell article sounds pretty good. Basically I think hes saying. In 1st gear pull away, get the bike up to 5000 RPMS. When you get there pull the clutch in very slightly, this will disengage it from giving all power to the rear wheel. As the Tach climbs to 7-7.5k let the clutch out smoothly but quick..
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And another quote:
ONLY ONE THING. Open up the throttle quickly to full blast

If I do this with the SP12 I am beyond 12 o'clock faster than I can split from it in time....with 134 Newtonmeters at my backwheel....
I would agree to this article in general when comparing average 600-900 ccm engines (given that they are not exceeding overall weight too much).
Watch your weight to horsepower ratio or make a docs appointment prior to trying. :teeth
 
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Flap

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And - on emore, if you tend to hold on to the handles when trying, then don't try to use throttle AND clutch since holding on to at least one of them can screw you up (most beginners tend to grab the handles harder when reacting to the unknown) two potential things.
Edit: i gotta explain "holding on", of course you hold on to them anyways, I am talking about holding yourself on the bike with them and therefore transferring interfering with proper handling. Kinda like with a horse, u don't want to hang into the "steering", u do that balancing and holding on with your legs and fet, same with bikes. Sort of explains it I hope.... :cool

I'd try the throttle approach first, don't open all the way, work your way up to the perfect acceleration level to lift the front, when u got used to the feeling, go for the clutch version, the clutch is IMHO easier to handle and gives u a perfect 2nd control tool.
When the shit hits the fan you never know what direction it will come from, so be sure to train both ways. Might save your butt....
Ride safe!
 
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JesasaurusRex

JesasaurusRex

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rhuyr said:
ANY TIPS FOR 05 600RR
I USE CLUTCH IN 1st CAME UP ABOUT A FOOT BUT CAME RIGHT BACK DOWN
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Come to a complete stand still, pull the clutch in, rev her up till she starts bangin against the rev limiter (dont roll off of it tho) and just let the clutch out as fast as you can.
 
wicked_900rr

wicked_900rr

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if you know how to wheelie it doesnt matter how skinny or fat you are and it doesnt matter what bike your riding.. if you cant get a new 600 up in second gear.. u should be riding in a car.. all bikes now have enough power to wheelie.. shit i could ride a wheelie ona ex250...and i weigh 260lbs.

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Mikey SBF

Mikey SBF

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JesasaurusRex said:
Come to a complete stand still, pull the clutch in, rev her up till she starts bangin against the rev limiter (dont roll off of it tho) and just let the clutch out as fast as you can.
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and youll be 12ving in no time
 
Fab

Fab

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stand ups

racerx510 said:
yzf600r wheelies, yeah bro sitting far back helps, im a slimer rider so i tend to molest the tank but that way u have to bounce it which hurts your back, i sit towards the passenger seat contour and it comes up pretty cool but standing a little on your pegs and arpund 6k jus gun it with a small bounce it'll come up nice, its hard for me to do it and keep my brake covered so i bent my brake so its within reach to tap it, careful at night though bro
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I am working on stand ups right now and am having trouble covering the brake. I was thinking of bending the brake alittle also. Should I bend the brake a little, or is my positioning off and that is why I can't reach the rear brake? Should I be leaning back further when learning stand ups or is it better to lean a little forward towards the front of the bike?
 
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Flap

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Re: stand ups

Fab said:
I am working on stand ups right now and am having trouble covering the brake. I was thinking of bending the brake alittle also. Should I bend the brake a little, or is my positioning off and that is why I can't reach the rear brake? Should I be leaning back further when learning stand ups or is it better to lean a little forward towards the front of the bike?
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Help, it is better to lean a little bit backwards (in case you overdo the wheelie it'll help you to save your butt) and if you mean adjusting your rear set brake lever then yes. Don't "bend" it. :teeth :laughing ;)
 
wingnutthehutt

wingnutthehutt

Fast Is Relative
As it says on the Gary Rothwell page, ANY modern bike 600cc or larger can pull the front wheel off the ground in first gear without using the clutch. If you're a larger person, this may make it more difficult, but it's still possible. Someone mentioned that if you could wheelie an 80HP Buell than it should be no problem with a 600. Keep in mind that the Buell, although only 80 HP has about 100 Ft/Lbs of torque due the the large displacement Vtwin configuration. That is more torque than any 600 made so far. To the best of my knowledge. An F2 also has about 80hp, but has far less torque.

One of the things we end up reinforcing many times during a wheelie school class is BODY POSITION. Your feet actually play a MUCH larger part than you think they do in how well you wheelie. Make sure that the balls of your feet are barely forward of the pegs. With your feet in this position and your knees tucked to the tank, your lower body will be locked to the bike.

If you DO happen to get up too high and tap the back brake, you're going to slap down pretty hard. If your legs are holding you on, your upper body is much more relaxed resulting in less bar input and more stability. When the bike slaps back to the deck, the front suspension compresses and your body wants to keep flowing forward. If your legs are holding you to the tank, you're not going to fall off the bike, but if you pull a foot off to balance, you change the direction of the gyroscopic effect of the wheels and the bike wants to turn.

To make a too long comment short. Scootcher butt back and lock those knees in. Want to avoid crossing over in front of your buddy? Point the bike where you want to go, look there, and relax those arms.
 
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