The Stand of Apple things (Apple Stand thread)

[AbsolutEnduser]

It seems, that some people seem to think that Apple's new products and prices have created quite a stir.

For example: the newest Apple laptop Mac Pro is $5000 AND in someone's opinion: "it's bad"... What do you think, is that true?

Second, but not last: the $1000 monitor stand. Apparently the same price as the previous Apple monitor, which came with its own stand, actually.. ... AGAIN, note that this is not a monitor, but just a stand.

The newest monitor itself... is also "starting at $4,999". (all of these are without sales tax), stand not included.

What do you think?

(Me? I'd say it's "invisible" price-+luxury-price-inflation.)

 

[Bay Arean]

I think they think there are enough rich people that they don't even need to bother with anyone less. Rich people echo-chamber stuff.

Apple has generally been merciless regarding obsolescence but this is a new low in my book. It reminds me of those Harry Winston gold-plated things that he would come up with once a year to get attention.

Editing in: Another way of looking at it is this: they held off releasing a new Mac Pro for several years, which reminds all of us that with laptops, handheld devices etc etc, more and more people don't want a workstation. Here where I work, they gave me an all-in-one iMac to replace my old Pro and its seems to be faster and better and the retina display is very nice. Its at a more reasonable consumer price point.

So maybe the Pro is for very rich or people who think they need it no matter what so they have just created it as a luxury item. Kind of like for the stupid but wealthy. Or, somebody so important that doing complex video or music is at that business level that its a justifiable tool. I wonder what a recording engineer needs for example these days to run their software..

 

[Entoptic]

I think it’s grand standing.....

 

[Mike95060]

I think I can machine a monitor stand for $500 a pop and make a killing..

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

I think they think there are enough rich people that they don't even need to bother with anyone less. Rich people echo-chamber stuff.

Possible and probable.... but do you think they (Apple) have a point with a high-price? To what extent?
Or simply.. the money signs are devalued, at least in their eyes?

Apple has generally been merciless regarding obsolescence but this is a new low in my book. It reminds me of those Harry Winston gold-plated things that he would come up with once a year to get attention.

"A new low" is quite entertaining to see in the context of the $999 price.. :laughing

Yeah I know.

I think it’s grand standing.....

So like... Baya's first.. actually second sentence.

 

[RightCoastBias]

I believe their top-of-the-line Monitor is $5,000, not their laptops. The most expensive MacBook Pro I see is $2,800. Adding more ram, faster storage and the like will certainly push you into that territory, but that's been true for many years.

 

[TheRobSJ]

The new display on its own, while $5k is certainly very pricey, is actually very reasonable considering the specs. $200 for the VESA mount is very nickel and dimey of them. But then again, this isn’t equipment for a housewife who just surfs Facebook. The kind of person buying that thing probably already has a whole workstation setup and probably already has some kind of fancy mounting setup already in place. So the same can be said for the $1000 stand. Which for that kind of money, I’m sure is just the pinnacle of modern industrial design, and moves as smooth as butter and all that. But I’m sure quite a few buyers don’t need a stand, so why include it.

Would it have been better to just include the VESA mount in the box and maybe make the fancy stand only $3-400? Of course. But let’s face it, this stuff is just as much form as it is function. So it costs double. Have no clue what the fully loaded Mac Pro will cost. But the base model’s specs for $6k represent a PC that one could build themself for maybe half that. Ahhh, but you don’t get that cool looking cheese grater design case.

You just want function? You’ve obviously made a wrong turn if you wound up in the Apple store. If form is as much as a priority as function, and you really like Jony Ive’s designs, then a premium very much has to be paid.

 

[Bay Arean]

"A new low" is quite entertaining to see in the context of the $999 price.. :laughing

Yeah I know.

Yeah, I stuck with it but I know, too.

I guess its worth it to point out that along with many of their iPhone issues, my distaste with the company just grows and grows. And I have used their product since 98 for a living and still do.

I am the guy still without a smartphone but I am reasonably certain I will not get an iPhone because I hate where they have gone with it. I don't want to learn a new interface but I think I will for this reason.

They certainly got rid of all the hippie shit in their corporate mentality. And combined with the Adobe Cloud software move, which we have been forced onto here at work, I have no affection for my good ol Mac and have stopped thinking they have any affection for their user base. But I'm sure they will make big charitable moves and do more virtue signalling with their profits.

 

[Brokenlink]

Fucking hate Apple products. I have a Mac computer and an iPhone for work. Will never buy another apple product. Don't like their proprietary business model and quite frankly, their products are not as good as non-Apple stuff.

I bought a Pixel 3a for personal use. it is so much better than my iPhone.

 

[gnahc79]

Have no clue what the fully loaded Mac Pro will cost.

With the monitor around $50K
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-how-much-top-spec-price-estimate-ballpark

Apple announced today that its new Mac Pro starts at an already pricey $6,000, but the company neglected to mention how much the top-of-the-line model will cost. So we shopped around for equivalent parts to the top-end spec that Apple’s promising. As it turns out: $33,720.88 is likely the bare minimum — and that’s before factoring in the four GPUs, which could easily jack that price up to around $45,000.

For all that dough, big-budget video editors and other creative types get a lot of firepower: a 28-core Intel Xeon W processor, an almost-impossible-to-comprehend 1.5TB of RAM, 4TB of SSD storage, and four AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo GPUs — assuming you can afford one.

Add in a Pro Display XDR monitor (and a Pro Stand to go with it), and you’re looking at a workstation that could clear $50,000. Keep in mind too that these estimates are based on market prices for these (or similar) parts: Apple historically has charged far more for its pre-built configurations than for a computer you’d build on your own.

 

[Mike95060]

^ So is 4k video editing and running nuclear blast simulations the only real reason to buy that rig?

 

[DucatiHoney]

I appreciate Apple's design--do I appreciate it enough to drop a grand on a stand? Naw. There's a market out there for it though, I'm sure. And those three people are going to love that monitor stand, even if they have no money left over for the monitor. :laughing

Honestly, it probably is better than your average free stand, but I'll take "free" over "better" in this case.

 

[Bay Arean]

I appreciate Apple's design--do I appreciate it enough to drop a grand on a stand? Naw. There's a market out there for it though, I'm sure. And those three people are going to love that monitor stand, even if they have no money left over for the monitor. :laughing

Honestly, it probably is better than your average free stand, but I'll take "free" over "better" in this case.

But honestly, they went way over the top with the cheese grater thing. Damn. I still have my old Pro at home and the same one here. It's modest. But the one in the link is hilarious in its exaggeration.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

My $250 LG 34" double wide monitor sits on a $25 Amazon Basics printer stand :toothless

 

[gnahc79]

If the range for a full setup is $13K-$50K, Apple knows they can ask $1K for the stand. IMO it's similar to the price gouging for the Apple charger+cable for iPhones.

 

[Abacinator]

Everyone's talking about it. Which is what Apple wants.

 

[HappyHighwayman]

I just think they should have rolled the stand into the full price. Nobody would know if it was supposed to cost $5000 or $6000.00

I've considered buying a new Mac Mini at times for the home network and then remember it would be $1000 for something that would be $500 from any other seller.

Everyone's talking about it. Which is what Apple wants.

Like Juicero?

 

[Yakoo752]

With the monitor around $50K
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-how-much-top-spec-price-estimate-ballpark

$50k for an AMD

GTFO

Also, SLI doesn't make sense since no editing program is designed to do so

 

[Yakoo752]

I got your 1000 monitor stand right here :x

 

[stangmx13]

bring up forced obsolescence with the new Mac Pro is kinda silly since its the first machine they've made in forever that is intended to be upgraded

the Apple tax on the Mac Pro seems higher than usually. the tax has been pretty low on the latest MBP and Mac variants. some YTers are suggesting the tax is >$2k for the base model Mac Pro.

this is the pro-est pro equipment I've seen from Apple, that monitor especially. that suggests even fewer people will buy it than the trash can, meaning the high cost matters even less.