The King is Dead, Long Live the King.

matjam

Crusty old UNIX engineer

youtu.be/nxxa1VjBzVw

196 at the rear wheel with all the emissions bullshit on it.

For context, the Panigale V4S is claiming 214bhp at the crank and gets 189 at the rear wheel on that same dyno.
 

295566

Numbers McGee
Not to mention the Panigale V4S has 100cc extra displacement...

That's seriously impressive.
 

R3DS!X

Whatever that means
I still think I would like to ride the Ducati more. I might be slower on it but I would feel really cool while still going real fast, just not as fast.
 

295566

Numbers McGee
I still think I would like to ride the Ducati more. I might be slower on it but I would feel really cool while still going real fast, just not as fast.

You're right, way more Starbucks credit. We all know the only BMW's that hang out at Starbucks are the GS crowd.
 

maidenfan84

Well-known member
If someone can honestly ride both of these bikes to such potential that they can really feel a difference between them, all the respect in the world to ya
 

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
You're right, way more Starbucks credit. We all know the only BMW's that hang out at Starbucks are the GS crowd.
:laughing
The BMW has been the winner at IOMTT the last couple of years. There is more going on than maximum power with that bike.
 

DJNick

Oldschool
So what's the best bang for buck now?

2019 Aprilia RSV4 1100 Factory
2019 Ducat1 V4R
2020 BMW S1000RR M
 
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clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
How are they doing in WSBK?:laughing
Better than Honda. That is a h.p. show.
why ​Danny Eslick is not winning races than?
Too many drugs? He doesn't have a ride? Dunno.

You guys seem to have missed the obvious point. You can't win at IOM with a poor handling bike. McGuinness won on a CBR more than once, which did not have the most horsepower, but handled well.
 

FXCLM5

bombaclaud
:laughing
The BMW has been the winner at IOMTT the last couple of years. There is more going on than maximum power with that bike.

Huh what races??
I just saw 135. They finally topped 135 avg mph per lap in senior TT

They covered #1 and 2, winner was in 2nd entire race and took the win in the last sector. Both bikes were zx10. Same bikes the teams used last year as well
 
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Whammy

Veteran of Road Racing
The King... Richard Petty
The King... Elvis Presley
The King... of Pop Michael Jackson
The King.... of the jungle... that would be a Tiger
Whammy doesnt think of bikes as the king.
Maybe this could be called Mr. The King
 

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clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
Huh what races??
I just saw 135. They finally topped 135 avg mph per lap in senior TT

They covered #1 and 2, winner was in 2nd entire race and took the win in the last sector. Both bikes were zx10. Same bikes the teams used last year as well

I have no f'ing idea what you are looking at, but here are the official records from LAST YEAR. :rolleyes
Actual facts
Here is the information from the IOMTT site:
Outright FASTEST LAP
Peter Hickman BMW S 1000 RR 2018 16:42.778 135.452mph / 217.989km/h

Race records:
Senior TT (6 laps) Peter Hickman BMW S 1000 RR 2018 1:43:08.065 131.700mph / 211.951km/h Dunlop
Superbike TT (6 laps) Michael Dunlop BMW S 1000 RR 2018 1:44:13.398 130.324mph / 209.736km/h Dunlop
Supersport TT (4 laps) Dean Harrison Kawasaki ZX-6R 2018 1:11:28.059 126.703mph / 203.908km/h Metzeler
Senior TT (4 laps) John McGuinness Honda CBR 1000 RR 2015 1:09:23.903 130.481mph / 209.988km/h Dunlop
Superstock TT (4 laps) Peter Hickman BMW S 1000 RR 2018 1:08.49.976 131.553mph / 211.553km/h Dunlop
 

Enchanter

Ghost in The Machine
Staff member
196 at the rear wheel with all the emissions bullshit on it.

For context, the Panigale V4S is claiming 214bhp at the crank and gets 189 at the rear wheel on that same dyno.

Definitely impressive, but it's the claimed (lack of) weight that has me drooling. My 2010 S1000rr puts out 193 to the rear wheel with a full exhaust, PowerCommander and AutoTune, and if I remember correctly, it weighs 440lbs fully fueled. 24lbs(?) less would be amazing and easily felt.
 

nakedape

Well-known member
Definitely impressive, but it's the claimed (lack of) weight that has me drooling. My 2010 S1000rr puts out 193 to the rear wheel with a full exhaust, PowerCommander and AutoTune, and if I remember correctly, it weighs 440lbs fully fueled. 24lbs(?) less would be amazing and easily felt.

Still have that full frame sitting in the basement for you. Free to your good home.

What's the implications for the XR model? The potential i-four smoothness really gets me hard. F-ing Ducati on-off throttle response is annoying and a liability. Looking at used XRs is an exercise in frustration. Will BMW bake some of this awesomeness into the cake for commuters?
 
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