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Teach New Riders

Caddywumpus

Caddywumpus

4N631
Looking for a few brave souls to join the CMSP. Instructors are needed all over California. Pay is decent and rewarding. It can be hard work, but its also fun.

There are several trainings going on this year. Typically you take off a week to get certified.

At the end of it you get a decent gig that pays typically in the bay area $28.50 an hour. Most sites guarantee 6 hours paid per shift, and double shifts = 8 hours + 4 hours OT = $399 before uncle sam takes his cut.

So what do we need from you?

An enthusiastic motorcyclist who likes to talk to people. You must have a fairly clean driving record as well as no DUIs (we work for the CHP).

Hours are long, mostly on weekends. PM me or post here if you have any questions.

I sponsor sites across the Bay Area and am also willing to point you in the direction to the site closest to you.
 
M

motomania2007

TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor
ctwo said:
Is this something that you could keep a regular 9-5 too?
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Yes, most instructors teach a weekend or two each month so they can do their 9-5 jobs during the week. Some instructors only teach one day on weekends. The schedule is very flexible.
 
Kornholio

Kornholio

:wave
But I have to take a week of vacation from my day job just to get certified? Did this use to have an option to be done on four weekends instead of week?
 
Caddywumpus

Caddywumpus

4N631
There is a 2 weekend option Fri sat sunday or thurs fri sat sunday. But most trainings are 7 days straight. 5 classroom 2 teaching students.
 
Caddywumpus

Caddywumpus

4N631
The last one in that style was:


Saturday 19 - MTC Instructor Training - Walnut, CA
Jan 19-22 & Jan 27-29 (Must be pre-approved)
 
Enchanter

Enchanter

Ghost in The Machine
Staff member
yzsofst said:
Need any help in the Sacramento area?
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Every training facility in the state is looking for instructors. Call the facilities closest to you and tell them that you are interested, they will take it from there.
 
R

Ride_on

Active member
Can a certified instructor (thru your program) teach for any of the other CA companies that offer instruction?
 
afmotorsports

afmotorsports

Well-known member
I think I’m ready for this, especially if it can just be a weekend thing. Is there a schedule of training classes coming up in the next few months?
 
dravnx

dravnx

Well-known member
What does the certification cost? I think this would be a great retirement gig for me.
 
M

motomania2007

TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor
The process is:
1) contact a local training range as you must be sponsored by a range for the instructor training
2) complete an application and background check
3) observe several classes so you: A) understand the content B) get a feel for the flow of the class C) understand cone placement D) observe multiple coaching techniques
4) complete the basic class as a student
5) complete the Intermediate Riding Clinic as a student
6) attend the instructor training
7) teach a class or two with a fully certified instructor
 
Caddywumpus

Caddywumpus

4N631
dravnx said:
What does the certification cost? I think this would be a great retirement gig for me.
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It depends on how much your site supports you.

Minimum cost is 495 and time. Other end of the spectrum it costs a little over $1000

Your in Santa Rosa talk to Juan Hernandez who manages your local site
 
M

motomania2007

TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor
dravnx said:
What does the certification cost? I think this would be a great retirement gig for me.
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Cost varies. The costs include:
1) background check
2) tuition to the basic class
3) tuition to IRC
4) tuition to Instructor Training

Some training ranges pay for some of those costs so the actual out of pocket costs varis with each training range sponsor
 
Enchanter

Enchanter

Ghost in The Machine
Staff member
Lot's of good questions here. Let me take it off on a somewhat related tangent:

Little background that most of you know:
I've been doing this for almost 30 years now. I managed the Mountain View facility (now closed) for almost 15 years. We had a staff of 15-20 and almost exclusively BARFers. That was an intentional choice. I want(ed) the staff to know each other, work well with each other, and have fun standing on your feet for 13hrs in all weather. Where am I going with this?

Get a job at a facility where you fit in. Like most jobs, this one sucks hard when you have to teach with someone you dislike. In Mtn. View, most of the staff drove past 1-3 other facilities 30+ miles to work with their friends. Make sure you talk to every facility manager within a 30mi radius. Find a place you like, with like minded people.

Once you've found the facility, there is more to consider:
Your current riding ability doesn't mean a damn thing. I know fast track riders that can't ride a proper demonstration at 12mph. I know riders that haven't crashed in 20+ years that can't properly convey counter-steering to a novice.

Are you willing to stand in ALL weather for 12hrs. I've taught in snow flurries, rain, and worst of all 100-deg+.

Are you willing to give first aid? I've seen bumps and bruises. Compound fractures. Heat exhaustion. Lacerations (7in long). Shattered femur.

The riding sessions are scripted. IOW, there is no personal commentary allowed during the instruction. The classroom sessions are PowerPoint based and require a talent / skill to deliver well / professionally. It takes effort to learn that skill. Do you want to put in the effort?

Your riding / driving DMV history will be looked at. DUI? Reckless? Lot's of tickets? Those could be limiting factors.

It's been mentioned here and in other threads that a background investigation is required. Yup. Think Megan's Law. We teach minors. If you are Registered, you can't do this job.

Thoughts from a former site manager: Can you walk the walk and talk the talk?

Do you ride your bike to bars and drink? Do you stunt on public roads? Do you ride without gear?

It won't be long until you run into a past student. What if that is at the bar with your bike parked outside? Or after you blew by them at 100+. Or landed that sweet wheelie in front of them...in a school zone...

I may or may not have any personal experience with these when I was a young inexperienced instructor.

Other things I've seen:
Someone showed up to teach smelling of liquor.
Some show up to teach in clothing that looks like they slept in it...for a week.
I've seen instructors show their GoPro footage on the big screen in the classroom.
I've seen an instructor show up with no rear brake caliper or rotor on their sportbike and try to explain why it was ok to students that noticed.

Do you still want to do this? It is fun. I love it. At the last BARF Rally yet another BARFer told me that I was their instructor many years ago. I've made great friends doing this. There are some good discounts involved too.

In 2007 I walked into a auto tire store and the guy behind the counter said "Hi Tim". I paused to try and jog my brain. He then told me that I was his instructor and opened his wallet to pull out the certification card I signed to prove it. He handed it to me and I saw the date 1990. I was floored. Dude gave me a screaming deal on tires.

As I walked out I looked at my GF and said "Thank god he passed", without missing a beat she said "Evidently you weren't an asshole that day either."

We're married now. The GF and I, not the tire sales guy.
 
FXCLM5

FXCLM5

bombaclaud
Enchanter said:
Lot's of good questions here. Let me take it off on a somewhat related tangent:

Little background that most of you know:
I've been doing this for almost 30 years now. I managed the Mountain View facility (now closed) for almost 15 years. We had a staff of 15-20 and almost exclusively BARFers. That was an intentional choice. I want(ed) the staff to know each other, work well with each other, and have fun standing on your feet for 13hrs in all weather. Where am I going with this?

Get a job at a facility where you fit in. Like most jobs, this one sucks hard when you have to teach with someone you dislike. In Mtn. View, most of the staff drove past 1-3 other facilities 30+ miles to work with their friends. Make sure you talk to every facility manager within a 30mi radius. Find a place you like, with like minded people.

Once you've found the facility, there is more to consider:
Your current riding ability doesn't mean a damn thing. I know fast track riders that can't ride a proper demonstration at 12mph. I know riders that haven't crashed in 20+ years that can't properly convey counter-steering to a novice.

Are you willing to stand in ALL weather for 12hrs. I've taught in snow flurries, rain, and worst of all 100-deg+.

Are you willing to give first aid? I've seen bumps and bruises. Compound fractures. Heat exhaustion. Lacerations (7in long). Shattered femur.

The riding sessions are scripted. IOW, there is no personal commentary allowed during the instruction. The classroom sessions are PowerPoint based and require a talent / skill to deliver well / professionally. It takes effort to learn that skill. Do you want to put in the effort?

Your riding / driving DMV history will be looked at. DUI? Reckless? Lot's of tickets? Those could be limiting factors.

It's been mentioned here and in other threads that a background investigation is required. Yup. Think Megan's Law. We teach minors. If you are Registered, you can't do this job.

Thoughts from a former site manager: Can you walk the walk and talk the talk?

Do you ride your bike to bars and drink? Do you stunt on public roads? Do you ride without gear?

It won't be long until you run into a past student. What if that is at the bar with your bike parked outside? Or after you blew by them at 100+. Or landed that sweet wheelie in front of them...in a school zone...

I may or may not have any personal experience with these when I was a young inexperienced instructor.

Other things I've seen:
Someone showed up to teach smelling of liquor.
Some show up to teach in clothing that looks like they slept in it...for a week.
I've seen instructors show their GoPro footage on the big screen in the classroom.
I've seen an instructor show up with no rear brake caliper or rotor on their sportbike and try to explain why it was ok to students that noticed.

Do you still want to do this? It is fun. I love it. At the last BARF Rally yet another BARFer told me that I was their instructor many years ago. I've made great friends doing this. There are some good discounts involved too.

In 2007 I walked into a auto tire store and the guy behind the counter said "Hi Tim". I paused to try and jog my brain. He then told me that I was his instructor and opened his wallet to pull out the certification card I signed to prove it. He handed it to me and I saw the date 1990. I was floored. Dude gave me a screaming deal on tires.

As I walked out I looked at my GF and said "Thank god he passed", without missing a beat she said "Evidently you weren't an asshole that day either."

We're married now. The GF and I, not the tire sales guy.
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dang dunno anybody whose got patience for ALL of that you just spelled it out

lol omg i didnt see your white text till i quoted you hahahahaa
 
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