swapping motor legal question

[vtwinpower]

I wrecked my '16 STR and it cracked the block so I am purchasing a new (used) motor for it.
When I am done do I just reactivate the reg. (non-op right now) pay the past dues and go?
Do I have to jump threw hoops to do something else?
Thanks for replies
Laurent.

 

[nakedape]

Go to the DMV, have them start the paperwork process.

Get a referral to CHP, set up an appt with them for the VIN / Engine verification

Go back to the DMV and finish up with the paperwork from the CHP.

Bring whatever paperwork you have with you to the CHP for purchasing the engine.

https://www.southbayriders.com/forums/threads/100912/

 

[auntiebling]

did your insurance company pay you out for the crash? if so you'll have to do what nakedape is describing. and you'll end up with a "salvage" branded title.

if you are covering all the costs of the damage and didn't get your insurance company involved, just swap the motor, reactivate the registration and go. if you reactivate the registration before a year has passed on the non-op, you have to pay the back fees as if you just forgot to send in your registration, there is no proration or refunding of the non-op fee or anything.

you should also get the title updated with the new engine number which will require some paperwork i can't find and probably a CHP visit. make sure you have some kind of proof of purchase to provide an origin for the engine (not stolen)

 

[vtwinpower]

Yep, I am fixing it myself. No insurance involved.
I am getting the motor from a reputable reseller, waiting for his reply about paperwork.
Thanks for input.

 

[Alan_Hepburn]

if you reactivate the registration before a year has passed on the non-op, you have to pay the back fees as if you just forgot to send in your registration, there is no proration or refunding of the non-op fee or anything.

If you forget to send in the registration they add on late fees; if you go the PNO option then they don't add on late fees - you just pay the current registration and any pre-existing fees. You will be paying for the entire year of registration, no matter when you do it, so if it's close to being due again it might be better to wait until it's due to avoid paying an entire year of registration for only a couple of months.

 

[Junkie]

did your insurance company pay you out for the crash? if so you'll have to do what nakedape is describing. and you'll end up with a "salvage" branded title.

if you are covering all the costs of the damage and didn't get your insurance company involved, just swap the motor, reactivate the registration and go. if you reactivate the registration before a year has passed on the non-op, you have to pay the back fees as if you just forgot to send in your registration, there is no proration or refunding of the non-op fee or anything.

you should also get the title updated with the new engine number which will require some paperwork i can't find and probably a CHP visit. make sure you have some kind of proof of purchase to provide an origin for the engine (not stolen)

you're sure you have to pay late fees if you nonop'd? I thought the point was to avoid that.

 

[295566]

you're sure you have to pay late fees if you nonop'd? I thought the point was to avoid that.

I believe you're correct; however, if you non-op it for 9 months, then re-register it with 3 months left, I believe (and could be wrong) that you have to pay for the entire year's reg fees, as in there's no pro rated reg fees for only 3 months.

 

[Junkie]

I believe you're correct; however, if you non-op it for 9 months, then re-register it with 3 months left, I believe (and could be wrong) that you have to pay for the entire year's reg fees, as in there's no pro rated reg fees for only 3 months.

Yes, that's my understanding as well.

 

[auntiebling]

If you forget to send in the registration they add on late fees; if you go the PNO option then they don't add on late fees - you just pay the current registration and any pre-existing fees. You will be paying for the entire year of registration, no matter when you do it, so if it's close to being due again it might be better to wait until it's due to avoid paying an entire year of registration for only a couple of months.

this is correct after the first full year of non op.

you're sure you have to pay late fees if you nonop'd? I thought the point was to avoid that.

Yes, that's my understanding as well.

no, that was not my experience. reviving a non-op before a full year has elapsed incurs the penalties as if you'd never sent the non-op in and register XX months late.

plan to non-op for at least 12 months, or don't bother with it.

 

[ctwo]

no, that was not my experience. reviving a non-op before a full year has elapsed incurs the penalties as if you'd never sent the non-op in and register XX months late.

plan to non-op for at least 12 months, or don't bother with it.

Is that perhaps because the PNO fee is less than the late fees? For PNO, the DMV does have the word "entire" year bolded .

However, they also state that to register a PNO for regular use requires the full registration fees. I assume late fees are not considered as part of full registration fees...

Was your experience from your own vehicle or one purchased as PNO?

 

[Junkie]

this is correct after the first full year of non op.





no, that was not my experience. reviving a non-op before a full year has elapsed incurs the penalties as if you'd never sent the non-op in and register XX months late.

plan to non-op for at least 12 months, or don't bother with it.

Come to think of it, I bought my truck PNO, I suspect less than a month into it (November tags and I bought it on Black Friday), didn't have to pay any back fees etc - obviously I paid for a year of registration, plus tax, transfer fees, etc, but no late fees (even though it was a week or so after the renewal date).

I don't think I've PNO'd a vehicle of my own for a short time period.

 

[ocoas]

I do not understand how everyone has had such different experiences with PNO.
I have PNO several dozen vehicles. When I re-registered any of the vehicles all I paid was the currant registration fees, no late fee, no penalties.

The only thing I can think is they tried to PNO the vehicle that the registration was past due. The vehicle has to be currant to put into PNO, if you apply after fees are due then the “PNO is not” any late fees and penalties are accessed when you re-registered the vehicle.

 

[auntiebling]

Is that perhaps because the PNO fee is less than the late fees? For PNO, the DMV does have the word "entire" year bolded .

However, they also state that to register a PNO for regular use requires the full registration fees. I assume late fees are not considered as part of full registration fees...

Was your experience from your own vehicle or one purchased as PNO?

it is probably that reason exactly.
i wasn't' in a financial position to have a project bike registered before it was ready when the DMV bill came due so i PNO'd it. some months <12 later when it was ready for road testing and i wasn't as brokeass, i registered it and paid way more than i was expecting. i probably didn't see the Bolded text.

Come to think of it, I bought my truck PNO, I suspect less than a month into it (November tags and I bought it on Black Friday), didn't have to pay any back fees etc - obviously I paid for a year of registration, plus tax, transfer fees, etc, but no late fees (even though it was a week or so after the renewal date).

I don't think I've PNO'd a vehicle of my own for a short time period.

a week after the renewal date is probably the key bit of info here, and transfer of ownership might play in as well. PNO can be filed up to, um, 60? days before registration is due. late fees don't get too aggressive to start with

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/vr_info

I do not understand how everyone has had such different experiences with PNO.
I have PNO several dozen vehicles. When I re-registered any of the vehicles all I paid was the currant registration fees, no late fee, no penalties.

The only thing I can think is they tried to PNO the vehicle that the registration was past due. The vehicle has to be currant to put into PNO, if you apply after fees are due then the “PNO is not” any late fees and penalties are accessed when you re-registered the vehicle.

you probably read all the instructions and followed them?

 

[Junkie]

it is probably that reason exactly.
i wasn't' in a financial position to have a project bike registered before it was ready when the DMV bill came due so i PNO'd it. some months <12 later when it was ready for road testing and i wasn't as brokeass, i registered it and paid way more than i was expecting. i probably didn't see the Bolded text.




a week after the renewal date is probably the key bit of info here, and transfer of ownership might play in as well. PNO can be filed up to, um, 60? days before registration is due. late fees don't get too aggressive to start with

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/vr_info



you probably read all the instructions and followed them?

I didn't have to pay *any* late fees, though, when in most cases you pay something extra the day after it's due.

 

[fast4d]

there's really no need to do a VIN verification again.

just keep receipes/paperwork for if you ever sell the bike.