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    2- Sellers, for best results... please read and follow these instructions:

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      • motorcycle or other vehicle:
        - make [MANDATORY]
        - model [MANDATORY]
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        - Pictures [FIRST THING THAT WILL BE ASKED FOR IF YOU DON'T, BUT NOT MANDATORY]
        - mileage
        - title info
        - current condition
        - maintenance history
        - accident history
        - location
      • If selling riding gear, include:
        - size in the title of the thread. [MANDATORY]
        - in your post, include: intended gender/body weight/height/inseam/waist range that best fits the item.

    • Do not include the price in the title. You won't be able to edit it later. Put the price in the body of your post.
    • DO NOT INCLUDE LINKS TO 3RD PARTY SALES SITES Copy/paste your ad to BARF and make sure it includes the info above.
    • Edit your original post and change the price there... many buyers will not look beyond that point if you change the price later on further into the thread. Also, remember to add SOLD to first line of the first post when the item has been sold.
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    • Inspecting the bike: if you are not experienced yourself, have a mechanic or an experienced friend check the bike before making a purchase. Crashed bikes:This is even more important if you are buying a bike that is being sold at a cheaper price with damages that the buyer is required to fix. In these cases, doing a frame check that will show any frame/fork/geometry damages is HIGHLY recommended. Do NOT simply rely on the information that the seller is providing, even he/she may not be aware of all the problems. Have the crashed bike checked and know what you are getting into.
    • Clean title, Salvage title A clean title doesn't mean the bike is free of serious issues. A Salvaged title doesn't mean the bike may have any problems. Every case is different. Some bikes are seriously damaged in a crash, but an insurance claim is never made on them, so they still have a clean title. Some bikes have had mostly cosmetic damages in a crash, but the insurance company decided to pay off the bike and salvage the title rather than spending the money to fix it. Know what you are getting into and don't make any assumptions based on what the seller is telling you.
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Superbike coach 3/20 $75

Mountainshinobi

Mountainshinobi

MountainShinobi
This guy is a total joke. It's a mini go cart track by the way. Anyone can PM me if they want the real story on this guy. Don't waste your money; go to a real track with a real coach.
 
bpw

bpw

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T-hill is a go cart track?, you better tall the AFM so they can reschedule the season.

Thanks Weasel.
 
bambamb43

bambamb43

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I did thunder hill west with superbike coach, thill is no go cart track !!!! Obvious you haven't been on it, I had as much fun there as I did at Sonoma, as for the coach he does talk about how awesome he is, but he is trying to promote his business and he caters to newbies, so maybe you didn't learn anything from him and so far neither have I, but I still had a blast and if you've riden with him he is blistering fast,
 
Mountainshinobi

Mountainshinobi

MountainShinobi
Misread, my bad. Didn't know he was trying to teach now at Thill. Used to just be at the kiddo kart track in Stockton.

I'd be interested in see how others (like myself, who attended his Stockton event) would rate the instruction and experience after being exposed to the instructors and experience found at Z2, Keigwins, etc.

Does anyone know which track provider he likes to ride with at Thill? I want to personally make sure I never go to the same.
 
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bambamb43

bambamb43

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He put on his own track day on March 20th, he was the provider, I had a blast, did he teach me anything ?? No, but I'm sure there were plenty of newbies that did, was it the same as the other track providers ?? No, the other track providers use AFM racers as track monitors, he didn't have that, but that was his first self organized real track day and it went pretty smoothly and it rained all morning and still went well, he gave some tips at lunch on the track lines which was ok, he went out and rode with the different groups, and one thing for sure is the mother fucker is FAST, he comes off kinda rough and likes to talk about how awesome he is , but he's trying to build his business, and he is geared more for newbies which is why I think the stockton track is good for that, I did his day one cornering school also, and no I didn't learn anything I didn't already know, but I did see ALOT of others who did ride away with some new knowledge, but I still had a blast, I'm still thinking about doing day 2, if I don't learn anything in that one either I know I'm still going to have fun, it's not like I'm spending $500-700 for a day of instruction, it's only $119 which is cheap enough, I thought thrashing around on that little track was fun but I think any track that I can thrash on is fun, the coach is a character and likes fucking with you, some people might take it wrong, so basically he's guy like you and me who loves to ride hard and fast and he's trying to make a living out of it, so I can't fault him for that, and I would do another track day with him again along with PTT, Keigwins, Z2, and Fun Track Dayzs, and before springs over I should have ridden with all of those track providers, what we're your issuers with him ????
 
bpw

bpw

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I obviously didn't make the track day so can't comment beyond saying it was intended to be a track day, not a day of instruction. Said so pretty clearly in the description and I was going in with the idea that any instruction was a bonus beyond the track day I was paying for.

I have been to Cornering school 1 and 2 and my take is that they are a very good value. I am sure better more intensive instruction is available but I feel I have certainly gotten my moneys worth on both days. Just the opportunity to screw around on a small track for the day and watch and follow a really good rider around seems worth it to me. Most of the "classroom" stuff was familiar to me but following him around for a few laps and getting some feedback made a big difference in my riding.

I can see how he might rub some people the wrong way, but I like his style and you can learn a lot if you pay attention.

I actually enjoy the digressions into "this is what I do but it won't work for you guys" since I like hearing about what riders do at the higher levels and mostly he is just being honest. Very few of us will ever be at the level to take advantage of some techniques used by really good racers. It is a bit hard on the ego, but fun once you get past the idea that you will never be as fast as a professional and the logic behind what they are doing can be learned from even if I will never ride at the level to take full advantage.
 
bambamb43

bambamb43

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bpw said:
I obviously didn't make the track day so can't comment beyond saying it was intended to be a track day, not a day of instruction. Said so pretty clearly in the description and I was going in with the idea that any instruction was a bonus beyond the track day I was paying for.

I have been to Cornering school 1 and 2 and my take is that they are a very good value. I am sure better more intensive instruction is available but I feel I have certainly gotten my moneys worth on both days. Just the opportunity to screw around on a small track for the day and watch and follow a really good rider around seems worth it to me. Most of the "classroom" stuff was familiar to me but following him around for a few laps and getting some feedback made a big difference in my riding.

I can see how he might rub some people the wrong way, but I like his style and you can learn a lot if you pay attention.

I actually enjoy the digressions into "this is what I do but it won't work for you guys" since I like hearing about what riders do at the higher levels and mostly he is just being honest. Very few of us will ever be at the level to take advantage of some techniques used by really good racers. It is a bit hard on the ego, but fun once you get past the idea that you will never be as fast as a professional and the logic behind what they are doing can be learned from even if I will never ride at the level to take full advantage.
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prime21

prime21

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bambamb43 said:
He put on his own track day on March 20th, he was the provider, I had a blast, did he teach me anything ?? No, but I'm sure there were plenty of newbies that did, was it the same as the other track providers ?? No, the other track providers use AFM racers as track monitors, he didn't have that, but that was his first self organized real track day and it went pretty smoothly and it rained all morning and still went well, he gave some tips at lunch on the track lines which was ok, he went out and rode with the different groups, and one thing for sure is the mother fucker is FAST, he comes off kinda rough and likes to talk about how awesome he is , but he's trying to build his business, and he is geared more for newbies which is why I think the stockton track is good for that, I did his day one cornering school also, and no I didn't learn anything I didn't already know, but I did see ALOT of others who did ride away with some new knowledge, but I still had a blast, I'm still thinking about doing day 2, if I don't learn anything in that one either I know I'm still going to have fun, it's not like I'm spending $500-700 for a day of instruction, it's only $119 which is cheap enough, I thought thrashing around on that little track was fun but I think any track that I can thrash on is fun, the coach is a character and likes fucking with you, some people might take it wrong, so basically he's guy like you and me who loves to ride hard and fast and he's trying to make a living out of it, so I can't fault him for that, and I would do another track day with him again along with PTT, Keigwins, Z2, and Fun Track Dayzs, and before springs over I should have ridden with all of those track providers, what we're your issuers with him ????
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Aware

Aware

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The cornering school has very specific goals. If you can, or think you can, already ride to the standard that he teaches then the cornering school is going to be a waste.

I've been riding 30+ years and I felt like I got enough out of Cornering School Day 1 (largely it was refresher, and more track-centric than street centered) to make it worthwhile to do Day 2 and 3 (in June), the Thunderhill day on March 20 and a 1-on-3 track+instruction day in August. I expect to learn plenty in August because that will be the day that gives the best, deepest instruction opportunity.

He also does a wheelie school day, which I personally think is dumb. Yes people want to wheelie and it makes sense to learn to do so in a safe environment. But it has no value in street riding. Learning how NOT to wheelie is more valuable, IMHO :)
 
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bpw

bpw

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Aware said:
The cornering school has very specific goals. If you can, or think you can, already ride to the standard that he teaches then the cornering school is going to be a waste.
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I thought it was pretty interesting at my cornering classes to see just how big the gap was between even the best students and what Coach Can could do going around the track. There were some very experienced, good riders at both my class days and they looked like wobbly newbies compared to him.
 
Aware

Aware

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bpw said:
I thought it was pretty interesting at my cornering classes to see just how big the gap was between even the best students and what Coach Can could do going around the track. There were some very experienced, good riders at both my class days and they looked like wobbly newbies compared to him.
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Agreed. I have no doubt that everyone in my class had stuff to learn. Being able to practice and experiment on a tight, slow circuit is great. It reiterated to me that there are lots of people on the road who have a whole lot of bike and limited training and experience. It was great to see so many people keen to address that.
 
bambamb43

bambamb43

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Coach flat out hauls ass on that super moto , like I said in earlier post I didn't learn much in day 1 that I didn't already know but also there was NO way I could catch or keep up with can, he sails around that track effortlessly, I will never get to the point that he rides at, and I'm pretty sure day 2 & 3 will probably teach me something, either way it will still be a blast
 
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