State is going after PG&E for 90 Million $$'s
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Bay Arean
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yeah, we'll pay for it but at least fault was assigned. Still pissed off about their lame-ass followup to San Bruno explosion (threatening to cut every tree within 20 feet of their buried pipelines everywhere). PG&E is a brute to its customers, despite all their teevee blather. I only blame management, not the crews. They are arrogant beyond belief.
wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
Yes, but they would have no matter what. :laughing
If you guys don't like it, you're welcome to go chose a different provider. Something something free market
wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
How, let someone else run another set of wires down your street? :dunno
Well that infrastructure is already in place. Maybe allow them to focus on maintaining that while getting a cut as OTHERS make the energy at a possibly reduced rate and use the existing infrastructure.
There's a problem when they own the manufacturing of energy AND distribution thereof...as there is no option for other sources of power or more renewable and effective energy suppliers to get in the game. It allows PGE to dictate everything with no competition.
Just break up the top to bottom dominance they hold in most of the state...created mostly by their political power only. Political power that limits these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Choice_Aggregation
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Charles R
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Iirc, PG & E doesn't own the energy production. That was the basis of the whole energy crisis a few years ago. Enron and others owned the production, and jacked up the price. Pge was not legally allowed to raise its prices, and was crying hard about going under. So Gray Davis used the state's surplus funds to pay the energy producers blackmail game, rather than letting pge pass all the costs to its customers, and we decided he was a villain for that.
All this started out in the 80's when "deregulation" was the answer for all our monopoly and big government woes. We split up things like pge and ma bell into smaller "competing" entities. And look how great that's been working!
All this started out in the 80's when "deregulation" was the answer for all our monopoly and big government woes. We split up things like pge and ma bell into smaller "competing" entities. And look how great that's been working!
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From everyone's best source, wiki:
PG&E's utility-owned generation portfolio consists of an extensive hydroelectric system, one operating nuclear power plant, one operating natural gas-fired power plant, and another gas-fired plant under construction. Two other plants owned by the company have been permanently removed from commercial operation: Humboldt Bay Unit 3 (nuclear) and Hunters Point (fossil).
It goeson to state its 174 hydroelectric properties make it the largest investor owned hydro portfolio. :dunno
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Gas_and_Electric_Company
Www.pge.com has info too...but boy do they make you dig for it
PG&E's utility-owned generation portfolio consists of an extensive hydroelectric system, one operating nuclear power plant, one operating natural gas-fired power plant, and another gas-fired plant under construction. Two other plants owned by the company have been permanently removed from commercial operation: Humboldt Bay Unit 3 (nuclear) and Hunters Point (fossil).
It goeson to state its 174 hydroelectric properties make it the largest investor owned hydro portfolio. :dunno
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Gas_and_Electric_Company
Www.pge.com has info too...but boy do they make you dig for it
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wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
They own two operating nuclear units, Diablo Canyon 1 and Diablo Canyon 2. Both are at the same facility but different power plants from a technical standpoint. :nerd
time to build two new nukes in ca.
we as a state buy a lot of our electricy from out of the state power plants.
build one south west of fresno in the dead land zone.
and rebuild rancho seca.
buy the time (30-40 years) they will be used at full cap most of the time. as the brown out brownies toy train needs the juice to run. :wow
we as a state buy a lot of our electricy from out of the state power plants.
build one south west of fresno in the dead land zone.
and rebuild rancho seca.
buy the time (30-40 years) they will be used at full cap most of the time. as the brown out brownies toy train needs the juice to run. :wow
afm199
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What that really works out to is probably 20% of the population paying for the other 80%. Just like Federal income tax.
This is just one more incident in a long line of PG&E incidents.
Brokenlink
Banned
Yeah they suck. They try to bully us (a land agency) about the trees under there lines. They want to come in and cut them all down. We are like "Well, you can trim this one, and cut that one, no herbicide and please chip and spread the wood.:" and they are like "No, fuck you we are PG&E and we are exempt from CEQA and all the laws." and we are like "ok, show us some documentation where it says that." and they are like "yeah we were joking." Then they cut down whatever the fuck they want.
Hell last year they built a fucking road on our property. Right through the middle of whipsnake habitat. Major environmental issue. They don't give a fuck. PG&E can suck bawls.
jt2
Eschew Obfuscation
Not going to happen. Fukushima set nuclear back by decades if it didn't kill it for good.
byke
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Don't like PG&E one bit, but unless a specific area was brought to their attention and they ignored it, doesn't really sound like the state has a leg to stand on. Plus, they contract ACRT to identify high risk trees and then contract various other services to take them down, so are they even the right people to sue?