Starter tools for wrenching

storm

Runs with scissors
My son's taken up wrenching in earnest - he's in the City College auto repair program and started an apprenticeship at a shop nearby. I want to gift him the basic tool sets he needs. The usual stuff: drive sets in 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" standard and metric.

Is Craftsman still the go-to brand? Snap-On? DeWalt?

I'm also thinking to get a corded, as opposed to cordless impact driver - yes, no? Looking at a DeWalt 7.5 amp corded driver, 345 foot lbs torque

Welcome all suggestions and input - thanks!
 
Craftsman is owned by Sears, which is going through a bankruptcy and could disappear. Even if that weren't the case, Craftsman has declined in quality quite a bit from their golden era. They're probably on par with the Lowe's and Home Depot brands.

If you've got the cash, and think he'll make a career of it, I don't see how you could go wrong with Snap-on.
 

msethhunter

Well-known member
Craftsman is owned by Sears, which is going through a bankruptcy and could disappear. Even if that weren't the case, Craftsman has declined in quality quite a bit from their golden era. They're probably on par with the Lowe's and Home Depot brands.

If you've got the cash, and think he'll make a career of it, I don't see how you could go wrong with Snap-on.

Nope. It's now owned by Stanlet Black & Decker. Craftsman isn't going anywhere.
 

JesasaurusRex

Deleted User
I'd get husky or kobalt over craftsman at this point. Not because of the quality, it's all made in China, but because there's a million home depots and lowes around
 

jt2

Eschew Obfuscation
Nope. It's now owned by Stanlet Black & Decker. Craftsman isn't going anywhere.

It actually depends on where you buy it. Yes SBD owns the name, but Sears still has the right to produce their own, totally different tools under the Craftsman name.

Which leads to the absurd situation where Sears has just launched a "20v" line of cordless tools that are visually similar to the existing SBD "V20", yet inferior in quality and with incompatible batteries.

https://toolguyd.com/craftsman-v20-sears-craftsman-20v-compatibility/

So any poor schmucks that buy into the bogus "20v" line will be out in the cold when Sears inevitably goes down the tubes.
 

SM610

Well-known member
Haay! Tell the kid i said "good for you!"

I second the Husky idea, Home D is everywhere, and have a great return/warranty policy. Their tools are made by high quality manufacturers, and often have a better warranty than they do. My HD cordless set is made by Milwaukee for instance. I find little if any advantage in Snap On, but i do like the stuff i have. Not worth the extra $$ for a entry level situation imo.
 

Climber

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Craftsman tools aren't bad tools and Sears has a lot of sales on them. Snap-on is far superior but you're paying 5-6 times as much as you can get craftsman for on sale, but if somebody is a pro then snap-on absolutely makes sense.

I saw that new 20v line of craftsman and was wondering what asshole decided to do that. :thumbdown

Edit: Didn't realize how high snap-on tools have gone, knew they were uber expensive. OP, don't take out a mortgage on your house to buy your son tools until you're certain he is going to go that route as a profession. You can currently get him a 230 pc tool set for $99.99 at sears right not or a 320 pc tool set for $155.54. If I was just getting into buying tools now, I'd get the $99.99 230 pc tools set along with a set of ratcheting wrenches, a good 1/2 inch torque wrench, a large set of screw drivers and a set of socket driven hex and torx drivers. Then there are some decent options for cordless impact drivers. He can fill in what he needs after that.
 
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TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
My son's taken up wrenching in earnest - he's in the City College auto repair program and started an apprenticeship at a shop nearby. I want to gift him the basic tool sets he needs. The usual stuff: drive sets in 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" standard and metric.

Is Craftsman still the go-to brand? Snap-On? DeWalt?

I'm also thinking to get a corded, as opposed to cordless impact driver - yes, no? Looking at a DeWalt 7.5 amp corded driver, 345 foot lbs torque

Welcome all suggestions and input - thanks!

Now while I don’t buy the brand anymore, there is still quite a few Craftsman sockets in the $50k+ worth of tools I have at the shop. All leftover from my 19something piece “starter” set I got from my parents as a Christmas present 24 years ago. Over the years, when a socket broke, I didn’t waste my time going and finding a Sears. I simply replaced it with a Snap-On (or other tool truck brand) piece.

The point of all this is, you’re on the right track here. I don’t know how many pieces it’s up to these days, but the one that’s about 200 tools is a good set to start with. Your son will figure out and quickly upgrade the things that are huge improvements over box store tools, like the screwdriver set and ratchets. And if a socket breaks or whatever, at that point he’ll probably just replace it with a truck brand or get a new set in that line (such as 1/4” drive metric 6 point).

No corded impact driver. Absolutely not. The only people that use those are the guys at the Napa parts counter who zap off a pulley from your alternator to transfer it to the one they’re selling you. In a shop, the cordless stuff is everywhere now. Plus they’re actually stronger than the corded units now. I just bought the brand new 1/2” Ingersoll-Rand cordless impact...frigging thing has 1500 ft lbs breakaway power. If you want to get him an impact driver, IR of course is great, Milwaukee, Makita, and Dewalt would all be fine to use in a shop. Stuff from brands like Ryobi, Bosch, or any other brand that looks like a much better deal than the first group I mentioned? Fine for home use, bu not for a professional.

Since you asked about Snap-On...yes if you’ve got the kind of money where you bought your son a Range Rover for a graduation present? Then sure, you can buy a starter set, impact driver (air or cordless), or any other tool from Snap-On. They are all usually fantastic quality with an amazing support system (since you don’t even have to go to a store, they come to you every week). Buuuut, all the jokes about getting a second mortgage or selling your first born are not that far off. I have no clue what that 200 piece Craftsman set costs these days, but let’s just call it $200. You could get a similar set or just match it piece by piece with Snap-On, but it would cost close to $3k. The current 1/2” Snap-On cordless impact driver is somewhere around $850. If you’ve got the money, then great. Otherwise, it’s an awful expensive investment for something you (and your son) don’t know if it’s really going to be something he does for the long haul. I’ve met countless numbers of kids over the years who get in my line of work. They bury themselves buying a box and tools from one of the tool trucks, and a year later, they start getting kinda meh about doing this. Maybe they’ve gotten discouraged because it’s not as fun as they thought, or they don’t have the aptitude for it and they’ve messed up a bunch, or maybe they realize that the pay sucks for what it does to your body. Either way...whether you buy it or he buys it, go slow with the tools in the first year or two.
 

aminalmutha

Well-known member
Robsj hit it. If he goes full bore into it, he’ll be spending five digits real quick like.

I have a few Kobalt things and they are fine for home use. Similar to Craftsman.

One thing I noticed about the Kobalt and Husky is they don’t have a lot of the larger things like sockets or wrenches over 1”. Maybe that’s changed, but I couldn’t find any.
 

250mL

Well-known member
Since Craftsman was purchased by Stanley Black & Decker, Craftsman branded tools are now available at Lowes stores. The brand has too much recognition to let go away so easily, their first step is to sell to a larger audience through Lowes. Stanley Black & Decker still maintain that they will honor the Craftsman lifetime replacements for all past and future purchases. For a beginner, I'd shop based on which store is most convenient for replacements: Lowes (Kobalt or Craftsman) vs Home Depot (Husky).

If he's going to be working in any type of shop, the corded tools become a nuisance (tolerable for home usage though). Cordless impact drivers are the way to go.
 

storm

Runs with scissors
Perfect info - thanks all.

Can spend some dough but not Snap-On level. Craftsman 200+ piece sets are inexpensive, anywhere from $100-200. Think if the set includes range of !/4", 3/8" and 1/2" drives, that would be a good start, yeah?

Will shop brushless, cordless impacts, most brands mentioned within my price range.
 

storm

Runs with scissors
No one mentioned Harbor Freight stuff. Thought they were also good quality, no?
 

SM610

Well-known member
No one mentioned Harbor Freight stuff. Thought they were also good quality, no?

Umm, no.

Its where you go for single use items, or something you plan on breaking or beating to death instead of your good one.:laughing
 

Blankpage

alien
I have a set of Husky sockets and ratchets and they suck. The size is barely etched deep enough to read. It varies from socket to socket but some of them I can't read without a magnifying glass so I have to just try it on the nut to see if it works.
They fit like shit in plastic case so as you close it sockets fall out of the top side.
 

byke

Well-known member
I really like the HF big impact socket sets. They're in a hard plastic case, not very many in the set, and I think they start at around 1"/25mm.
 

storm

Runs with scissors
Aw, geez - ok, no HF. And maybe look at Kobalt over Husky. I'm looking at a Kobalt 200+ piece standard/metric set for around $100, and a DeWalt 18V 1/2" cordless impact
 
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