STAR School

f1v3

Promoter
This is NOT spam. I'm an actual racer, with actual feelings on the subject! :mad

I've been to Jason Pridmore's STAR School twice over the last 6 months, (laguna.mar 06, t-hill.oct 05) in my search to get all the knowledge i can! His team, and Jason himself, are the coolest batch of people I have ever met! They showed me so much, both on the track and in the classroom, it's incredible! It made me go fast... but more then that, it really taught me HOW to go fast. From lines, to position, to throttle management. I 110% back STAR school and everything it has taught me! I'm even running there stickers...

I've been to another school, and must say, I didn't find it half as helpful as STAR. For anyone looking to go to the next level, I highly recommend you check STAR school out!

Has anyone else been to STAR school? or maybe a school they had a great experience with...
 
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slydrite

On a brake
I went to the "Pro" school about 5 years ago when I was still road racing and I thought it was a complete waste of $600.........slightly in their defense, I think it was only their 2nd ever "Pro" school, so the curriculum wasn't totally dialed yet........Richie and Dean were very cool and helped me on the track, but I could have gotten towed around and followed by other KFG's at any >$200 track day, as has happened many times before and since that day.........also, we wasted a tremendous amount of time listening to Jason's racing stories........I mean that's cool and all, but for $600?!?!?!

To top it off, I wrote Jason a long email on my experience and my disappointment the day after and neither he nor his mom (who was the person I talked to the most about the school before taking it) ever bothered to reply.

For me, it wasn't worth $600...I learned a couple of things and dropped a few tenths off my lap, but the same could have happened at most cheaper track days.
 

f1v3

Promoter
I've never been to the Pro school... i was going to though... thats pretty crazy, and expensive... whats the difference from that to the regular one? i haven't seen or heard about the Pro school...
 

slydrite

On a brake
i dunno, never been to any other Star schools....check his site......don't get me wrong,.....I'm sure some people could be helped by it.....it just wasn't worth the extra $$ over what I could get at a track day with intruction for 1/3 the price and increased track time
 

Monkey_Boy

K@TT Instructor
As a Keigwin instructor, I'm rather partial to our school. :teeth

However, I am a HUGE fan of Jason's teaching as I've attended many STAR schools over the years, including several Pro schools. I should own stock! LOL

The normal school fits most people fine but the Pro school is not for everyone. The way to get the most out of the Pro school (or any school but it's critical for advanced training) is how much YOU put into the day.

If you attend advanced training but don't take full responsibility for learning something, you will walk away disillusioned and feeling as though you didn't get your money's worth. You must be clear as to your goals and know what you want out of the day. Then communicate that to the instructors. I know KTT instructors will respond as will Jason. It's the only way for instructors to know what a student wants.

Advanced training is difficult because student progress is measured in much smaller increments than for beginner and intermediate riders. Hence, it's harder to relate value with the price of a school.
 
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slydrite

On a brake
yeah, uh-huh........thanks for that.......in fact, I filled out a form ahead of time that asked me what specifically I wanted to improve upon.......each time before going on track with an instructor, I HAD TO ASK them to look for these things........and again, I was helped, but just not anymore than attending a Denis Pegalow day for 1/3 the price and working with Chuck Sorenson & Tom Montano, just to name a couple......

and yeah you're right, KTT instructors are really something, and as you've reminded me of that, you may want to ask Lance K about crashing, as an instructor for Jason, in the second session.....and why did he crash, you might ask?........he low sided on the brakes going into T14 trying to pass a STUDENT!!!!! IOW, the student was lucky he didn't get taken out by Lance......

and just to clairfy,......I've been a PROFESSIONAL ( that means that was my job) instructor for the biggest car racing school in the world for many years, so I think I might have an idea how to comunicate what exactly I want to improve upon from both a bio-mechanics point of view, racing line POV and a vehicle dynamics POV

but yeah, you must be right....it was my fault that the school seemed overpriced for what I got :rolleyes :hand
 

f1v3

Promoter
Hey!!! Chuck Sorenson!!! Thats my buddie!!! I'm going on a track day with him next week!!! Zoom Zoom!!! Totally cool guy!!!

Anyway, back to this... I think it's safe to say EVERYONE has a different style and different schools will be good or bad for that. I didn't see eye to eye with Codes Superbike School, but I recently talked to an instrustor and we came to the conclusion= IT JUST DIDN'T FIT FOR ME!!! I know a ton of people that have been to Codes School and gotten a ton out of it. No biggie. I just happened to take to Jasons teaching really well.

So in this one, i'm inclined to agree with Phil...

As is life, you get out of it what you put in... although you shouldn't have to ask at a school, but I've been to 2 STAR schools and haven't said shit. They've always been really good about following their students and showing them whats what... but, again, thats just my experiance...
 

Monkey_Boy

K@TT Instructor
slydrite said:
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but yeah, you must be right....it was my fault that the school seemed overpriced for what I got :rolleyes :hand

Not blaming you at all. I was at the same Pro school as you, when Lance crashed. He didn't low side, he overbraked and flipped the bike over. So much for some fancy master cylinder... as for crashing, everyone does it. An instructor crashing at a school is embarrasing, but it happens. So what?

That particular Pro school was not their best for sure. It seemed like they were winging it.

When I'm asked about the Pro school, I explain just what I said before. It's not for everyone and if you want to ensure you'll get something out of it, you need to be sure your needs are addressed. And even then, who knows?
 

atek3

Well-known member
Here's my review of the STAR school that I attended last week. If you think the review is long and don't want to read that much, here are the cliff notes. I gained a lot out of the class but feel I need to go to at least a few open trackdays just to practice and internalize what I've learned.

atek3


So I went to to Thunderhill april 4th and 5th for Jason Pridmore's Star School. I got my money's worth.

Tuesday it rained most of the day, I've ridden probably one or two thousand miles in the rain but i've never tried cornering vigorously. By the end of the day however I was pretty comfortable with how hard I could brake or get on the gas without having traction issues.

Wednesday was much nicer. I started off in the street group but as the track dried up and my confidence and skills improved one of the instructors moved me up to the advanced group. It was nice because I didn't have to worry about other riders, I could just focus on the areas I need improvement on.

One of the coolest parts of the school was riding two-up with Jason Pridmore on the back of his GSXR1000. Whoa, I mean seriously Whoa. He was going faster than I went all day with 190 lbs of ballast on the back of his bike. It started sprinkling so he took it very easy, which was still faster than I ever went!

Another total trip was standing near turn 7-8 and watching pridmore fly by on his gsxr... Pridmore is fast... practically mindbogglingly fast. Then we watched him go through 14-15. His back end became pretty loose going through so many downshifts so quickly off the back straight.


I learned a lot of valuable lessons.

Weight on the bars is my enemy, especially in turn two. In turn two I hit a couple spots of wet pavement that shouldn't have upset the bike but with so much weight on the bars the front end momentarily lost traction in a most unpleasant fashion.

Unlike my first track day where I pushed and pushed and pushed until I binned it in the last session this time I listened to the little voice in my head that told me when to take a brake, take it easy, or just hang out in the hot pits with an instructor before heading back out. I don't think I spent an entire lap the entire day going "balls out". Most of the time I took it easy setting up for my turns. Turn 14 was my nemesis on my first track day last july, I ran off there three times. This time I braked earlier leaving enough extra room that if I thought my entry speed was still too much I had time to scrub some speed before leaning the bike in.

I found that if I "hang off" I'm basically hanging off the bars which disturbs the chassis over bumps, the pridmore instructors (mainly James Lickwar) told me to instead "pivot" around the tank so I can hold my upper torso up with my legs and abs. My body position still isn't perfect. Once I was going through turn 6 and I tried using too much lean angle and I scraped my aftermarket rigid peg... a definate no no. I'm still not positive if this is a ground clearance issue, a lines issue, or a body position issue.

Looking further ahead was a big challenge at first. I was staring at the patch of pavement 20 ft in front of me... at speed. This was dumb for a few reasons. The most important I found was that at those speeds I was basically commited to the next 20 ft, so looking at imperfections and water merely gave me 250 ms to tense up before hitting sketchy pavement...the exact opposite response that the bike wants. After working with a few instructors I started to take my chin up always looking for exit markers of the turn or if there were no exit markets just the opposite side of the track after the turn. By doing so it felt like I was going slower, so I could go faster without 'freaking out'.

I learned clutchless upshifting in the straights. I understood how to do it intuitively but the classroom explaination taught me how to do it physically, now my clutchless upshifts are pretty smooth.

Pridmore has an interesting way of downshifting that doesn't use blipping. I'm still experimenting with that but my muscle memory still has me trained to blip, more work is needed in this area.


More later. I'd like to thank James, Jason, JJ and the rest of the instructors at the STAR school.

Guy who lowsided in front of me at turn 8, I hope you are okay and uninjured.

thanks,
atek3


The guy that lowsided at 110 mph was miraculously okay, despite tumbling and flipping.
 

2nsane

Retired Coastie
question about STAR school

do you think it would help everyday riding? Is the school more emphisized on racing type riding or safety and learning better riding habits?

Thanks.

oh and for insurance reasons, my insurance co. Gieco- told me that they would cover any school as long as it was not racing.

would this be clasafied as a actual School for safer riding?.
 

atek3

Well-known member
This school would definately help your everyday riding. Some techniques are definately more applicable to the track, but becoming a better rider will give you a greater safety margin on the street.

atek3
 
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