So I got raped by the DMV

SeekingZero

Exiled
So I want to know how the people of California let a certain piece of legislation get passed that requires a person moving here to pay CA sales tax on a motorcycle they bought in another state while living in another state. :mad And if that's not bad enough, CA is still broke and shutting down 70 state parks this year. :wtf

I went to register my 999 today and thought since I paid IL sales tax on it when I bought it in July '11, that I didn't have to worry about that so I was honest and put the date I bought it and the price I paid for it.

Happy belated b-day from the "please bend over and take it like the sucker you are" state of CA. :bday

:rant
 

p4i1

weekend rider
actually, not exactly true. You pay just a difference in tax.
They calculate your California tax and subtract what you already paid to another state. Sound like a fair formula, but given that California taxes generally higher - you end up paying more.
 

mrjeremytaylor

Wanna see me do it again?
California is like a child in that way. For the most part, I'm so proud to call it mine and have the world know. But sometimes it throws up all over me and I want to get far, far away from it...
 

SeekingZero

Exiled
actually, not exactly true. You pay just a difference in tax.
They calculate your California tax and subtract what you already paid to another state. Sound like a fair formula, but given that California taxes generally higher - you end up paying more.

True, but in IL, the private party sales tax for ANY motorcycle is a flat $25. I guess I'm just spoiled. So, CA sales tax on a mint 999 - $25...negligible. :thumbdown
 

originalsturge

litre bikes are fun
could be worse, you could live in virginia and have to pay personal property tax on you bike, car, truck, trailer, rv, boat, and camper every year. oh and its based on what you paid for it regardless of when you bought it. oh and if you think you can get away with not paying it they make you put a sticker on your windshield so the po-po can pull you over and cite you for it and then they get made at you when you call them tax collectors. oh and they encourage your nieghbours to be snitches about it.
 

matt fe2o3

Banned
It is a total screw job I agree. Sales tax should only be based on new purchase. Once.

Use tax, road tax, ok I'm all for paying my share, get that at the pump.

Can't wait to retire to get out of this state.
 

UDRider

FLCL?
actually, not exactly true. You pay just a difference in tax.
They calculate your California tax and subtract what you already paid to another state. Sound like a fair formula, but given that California taxes generally higher - you end up paying more.

The vehicle is already purchased. How is paying a portion of a sales tax again fair?

could be worse, you could live in virginia and have to pay personal property tax on you bike, car, truck, trailer, rv, boat, and camper every year. oh and its based on what you paid for it regardless of when you bought it. oh and if you think you can get away with not paying it they make you put a sticker on your windshield so the po-po can pull you over and cite you for it and then they get made at you when you call them tax collectors. oh and they encourage your nieghbours to be snitches about it.

How is that different from the vehicle registration here?
 

MechE

Active member
I agree it's absolutely criminal that the State of California taxes you for commerce that DOES NOT take place in this state or even involve a resident of this state. I'm still surprised that they get away with it.

Oh, and the use tax in Virginia (also in Kentucky) is exactly like the CA registration fees we pay here -- calculated based on the value of the vehicle. Those states just charge you a low flat registration fee on a yearly basis as well as the use tax, but it's not that different. Could be worse? Yes, I suppose they could increase the tax rates but that doesn't make it a good deal now.

Sometimes I miss living in states that don't try to rape you with taxes at every turn.
 

sckego

doesn't like crashing
They get away with it by actually calling it a "use tax," not a "sales tax," but it amounts to the same thing. Luckily, I got a friendly DMV clerk when I went to register my bike about one week shy of a year from when I purchased it... he mentioned the tax, and he said yeah, anything within a year of registration, you still need to pay the difference in tax. So I ask, you mean if I come back next week, I don't have to pay? Yeah, he says, as he hands me back the form I had filled out... when did you say you bought that bike again? I scribble out the "4" in "10/14" and hand it back to him reading "10/1." Saved me a few hundred dollars there...
 

Wack

Flounder
A brief history of the origin and evolution of taxes. BITD the peaceful people grew and harvested their crops. The marauders stole their harvest and hot daughters leaving them enough to starve through the winter and plant again the next season so the process could be repeated. Today they allow you to keep your daughters and provide protection from marauders for a modest tax of 40 percent, progress.
 

boney

Miles > Posts
California is WAY better than Illinois. Consider this your pre-payment on all our amazing roads, beautiful scenery, and clean air.

:thumbup
 

Idontdotrix

let sleeping bitches lie
could be worse, you could live in virginia and have to pay personal property tax on you bike, car, truck, trailer, rv, boat, and camper every year. oh and its based on what you paid for it regardless of when you bought it. oh and if you think you can get away with not paying it they make you put a sticker on your windshield so the po-po can pull you over and cite you for it and then they get made at you when you call them tax collectors. oh and they encourage your nieghbours to be snitches about it.

so you live here, right?

reg on all our vehicles plus "property" taxes for owning still came out to a lot less than what we paid in CA.
I got pulled over a week or so ago for 2 of my three brake lights out. no sticker on windshield for county, my annual inspection sticker was there ($16 per year, a bargain for all that they do!). the cop didn't cite me or look for things he could cite me on, he helped me check bulb connections and fuses :) such a nice southern gentleman! :love
two months before that a rear brake bulb was out on the truck. lit up, pulled over, and the very nice officer brought it to my attention (I went immediately to WalMart down the road afterwards to get it replaced). turns out CA had done some goofy computer shit to my old license there and it was returning my VA license as "ineligible". not suspended, "ineligible". officer took my number, gave me his, and helped me on his own time figure out wth CA did to screw up! the friendly folks an VA DMV were nothing but wonderful getting it handled and returning my status to licensed driver- in minutes. CA has YET to send me a letter showing that an old citation was cleared- and that there was never a hold on my license at all for it. they said 3-4 weeks on a letter. it's been nearly three months, and nothing yet! thankfully, our VA DMV know what they're doing.
is that worth the separate reg fees and state prop tax fees, which are still lower than CA? you bet! :thumbup

also, I called VDOT recently about problems with our road. they had someone out the same day for a temp fix and repaired it completely within three weeks :)

the actual process out here is, if you haven't paid your county personal prop taxes (and there's a first year exemption for new residents too :) ) they just take it off your state refund- they give you notice first so they don't take money without a chance for you to say "yes, I paid this". know how I know this? we moved from Richmond to sw VA and Henrico County erroneously still had us on their books. I got an email notification. I called, gave them the date of our move, the nice lady thanked me and wiped out the fees :) took, oh I don't know, 4 minutes? and I had an electronic refund on our state taxes in under a week from filing :)

I :love this state

ps- my personalized plates cost me ten bucks! one time fee :) I can log into the online services too and get a complete license record, change address, pay registrations, pretty much everything from the comfort of my home. need a new license or renewal? no problem- they'll mail it within five days. how long's the wait there n ow? two, three months?

enjoy your mobile no-notice-no-exit-lane-you're-stuck smog check stops out there! :thumbup I'm gonna go bake some cookies for the sheriff's office as thanks for helping me with my car :)
 

hisg58

Well-known member
I did a calculation one time after reading that most bikes go through 5 or 6 owners. Even if people fudge a bit on the sales price... by the time the bike is finally retired CA has collected well above 50% of the original MSRP.

What amazes me more is the way states gamble with lotto money. Take the last mega millions... saw a quote from i think the rhode island governor talking about how they'd love to get the lotto state income tax proceeds to help budget their balance. They are gambling as much as we are... ridiculous.
 

dtrides

Well-known member
Sorry you had to deal with this. If you like, Just drop off said mint 999 and I will gladly pay the taxes and take good care of it. It's the least I can do to welcome you to California.:teeth
DT
 

tuxumino

purrfect
enjoy your mobile no-notice-no-exit-lane-you're-stuck smog check stops out there! :thumbup I'm gonna go bake some cookies for the sheriff's office as thanks for helping me with my car :)

Virginia, hippies and hillbillies.
I do like hwy 8 form Floyd to Stuart.
 

Idontdotrix

let sleeping bitches lie
me too :) and wait til you visit the area again Tux, I have such sights to show you around here! (and fudge. there will be fudge)
 
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