SMIDSY'd by a left-turner

sckego

doesn't like crashing
Aw man, another sckego contribution to this forum. Dammit.

This is the first time I've ever been in a crash involving another vehicle (over 14 years of riding). Last street crash of any kind was 6 years ago.

I was riding my Honda CB500f westbound on Penitencia Creek Road, having just left my house for the morning commute. This section of road winds lazily along the creek path, passing a bunch of blind driveways, then an intersection with Noble Ave (a narrow bridge across the creek), then a 3-way stop at Toyon, about 200' past Noble. There are two elementary schools within half a mile, and at just past 8am, this area is crowded with people heading to work or to drop off kids. Not a place to rail through, even on a nice, sunny, dry morning.

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I was doing about 30 mph as I rounded the left curve, and I could see several hundred feet ahead, down to the intersection with Noble. There was an oncoming SUV (eastbound on Pen Crk) that had slowed down with their left-turn blinker on. There were a few cars stacked up behind them, and as I got closer, I could see a car on the Noble bridge waiting to turn out as well. I was expecting the SUV to turn onto the bridge, as I was still pretty far away (6+ seconds), but she just stopped there, waiting.

My view as I rounded the corner - the bridge to the right is still obscured by the turn, but oncoming traffic is perfectly visible. The stop sign on the right is for bicycle traffic on the creek trail, not for road traffic.
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As I approached, I realized she wasn't going, and assumed that she was waiting for me to pass before turning. I've had many encounters where cars waited to yield to me, even though they lots of time to go. She was just waiting a stop with her blinker on, not creeping forward, no indication at all of any movement.

I was less than 40' away, maybe 1 second from passing through the intersection, when she accelerated through the left turn, directly in front of me. I *think* I was already covering the brake in anticipation of the upcoming stop sign, but I'm not certain. In any case, I instinctually grabbed the front brake lever as hard as I could. There was no gradual squeeze or any attempt at modulation - it was 100% pure reaction panic braking that locked the front wheel instantly. The road was gently bending to the right at this point, and I lowsided to the right immediately.

My skid mark (circled) starts about halfway along the white curbing, maybe 20' from the intersection. White marks are where the bike hit the ground. The further away tire marks are from something else.
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I slid/tumbled to a stop in the middle of the road, and my bike slid on it's right side down to her car and bumped her rear wheel. She had come to a stop in the middle of the road as well - I think she saw me partway through the turn and did a panic brake herself. I was still lying there, cursing loudly and making sure all my parts still moved without pain, when she hopped out, came running over, and said those magic words: "OMG, where did you come from? I didn't even see you!" :nchantr

To shorten the rest of the story, I was fine except for some minor bruising on my right leg; bike had a bent handlebar and cosmetic scrapes on plastics and exhaust; gear (Rev-It Commuter pants and Outback jacket) has minor tears on right knee and elbow. Lady was very apologetic and took full responsibility, and cut me a check for repairs, rather than go through insurance.

Analysis...

Man, this is a tough one. When it comes to "what could I have done differently?", the thing that comes to mind immediately is "buy a bike with ABS." It was something like a $500 option when I bought my bike, but I told myself that I'm a very experienced rider, I know what it's like to do threshold braking into a hairpin corner during an AFM race, I've daily commuted for over a decade and have lots of experience emergency braking and swerving when someone pulls in front of me, I can handle whatever comes up. Well, not this time. I had precisely *zero* time to think, only react, and my instinctual reaction put me on the ground. Would ABS have kept me upright? It would have given me a better chance, that's for sure.

Could I have used better judgement? I have a hard time faulting myself there. I was traveling at a perfectly reasonable speed, and she had all the time in the world to see me, and behaved as if she had, right up until the last instant. After all, if she didn't see me, why was she waiting there for 6+ seconds? Still don't know the answer to that one. Could I have gone slower? Sure, and she still could have turned and hit me. Am I really going to slow down to 15mph every time I pass a car waiting to turn? Realistically, no.

Other ways out? Swerving? There were cars to both sides (oncoming traffic waiting behind her, and a stopped car coming out of the bridge). I don't think there was room to go anywhere, even if I had the time to process the situation. MAYBE if I'd gone into a full left-hand swerve I could have cleared both her and the oncoming cars and ended up on the paved runoff to the left... not sure if that would have been correct choice though, as a misjudgment there would have put me into a head-on collision with the oncoming traffic.

Anyways, there you go, have at it... :twofinger
 

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cheez

Master Of The Darkside
Sorry to hear about the get-off, hope you're ok and heal up quick and that you can get the bike repaired relatively painlessly.

The only thing I can suggest is the anti-SMIDSY weave- when I saw that left blinker, I'd have started weaving slightly to make my headlights more noticeable. I have a spot on my way in that is notorious for folks aggressively left-turning so I both weave and modulate my headlight when I'm approaching that turn. Saves my bacon pretty regularly.


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sckego

doesn't like crashing
Hey, wtf, some of my attachments disappeared. Will fix in a bit.

Edit: Fixed.
 
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dittoalex

Too much lean angle...
I honk my horn in two quick bursts frequently to remind people that a motorcycle will soon exist in their traffic.
 

dravnx

Well-known member
SMIDSY
Aux LED lights mounted low to give the triangle affect.
Modulating headlight
Better luck
 

budman

General Menace
Staff member
SMIDSY for sure.

I still do it most of the time even if I believe they see me.

Glad you escaped anything major.
 

Gravisman

Aspiring Racer
Glad you’re physically ok. I know I’ve been guilty of thinking “I’m an experienced rider; I know how to brake” - interesting to hear your story.
 

Enchanter

Ghost in The Machine
Staff member
In traffic like you described, I put on the highbeam(s). Truth be told, my highbeam is on 99% of the time in daylight. As I approach those threats I'll also move across my lane and back at least once. As I get into the danger zone / point of no return, I create the most space between the threat and myself.

What portion of the lane were you riding in as you approached? The image seems to indicate the center at the time of the crash. Were you there the whole time?
 

sckego

doesn't like crashing
In traffic like you described, I put on the highbeam(s). Truth be told, my highbeam is on 99% of the time in daylight. As I approach those threats I'll also move across my lane and back at least once. As I get into the danger zone / point of no return, I create the most space between the threat and myself.

What portion of the lane were you riding in as you approached? The image seems to indicate the center at the time of the crash. Were you there the whole time?

I think I was moving left-to-right in the lane at that time. I usually come by there way towards the left side of the lane, because cars turning out of the bridge are very blind - they need to pull waaaaay out into the road to see up Penitencia Creek. Staying to the left both makes me more visible, as well as putting more space between me and them. If anything, I was looking more towards the car pulling out of the bridge as a threat at that moment - I was wondering if the waiting SUV was trying to get him to turn out first (since the bridge is very narrow, and even two cars passing side-by-side is pretty tight). Once I had good visibility to the bridge, I drifted back to lane center to create space from both of them.

View looking up the Pen Crk from the bridge stop sign - visibility is pretty shit. Also note how narrow the bridge is, not much space for cars to turn in (especially if the car on the bridge is pulled way out to be able to see).

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ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
If her front wheels were turned, that's a dead giveaway that you're entering a danger zone as you're about to cross her path. If the wheels are straight and not rotating, you can maybe assume that they're not going to cross your path, but I would still likely weave back and forth a couple of times and possibly switch from low to high beam just to make sure they see me.

Read the first post of this thread and tell me if you did everything that I suggested in it:
https://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536699
 

dammyneckhurts

Well-known member
" I told myself that I'm a very experienced rider, I know what it's like to do threshold braking into a hairpin corner during an AFM race, I've daily commuted for over a decade and have lots of experience emergency braking and swerving when someone pulls in front of me, I can handle whatever comes up.

The reality is that this is a perishable skill. Our instincts make us do exactly what you did in this situation.

The ability to build brake pressure gradually (even though we need to do it quickly) requires continuous practice.
 

KnifeySpoony

_______________________
This is why I like abs on street bikes. You'd likely have remained upright if you had it. I am super paranoid with left turners in situations like that. I slow down considerably, enough to stop or swerve if they go in front of me. As I approach, I will usually swerve over to the fog line to give some extra space and the swerve might make me visible to the driver.
 

Butch

poseur
Staff member
It scares me when folks have their wheels turned when waiting to turn left. It generates a big SMIDSY outta me.

If they get rear ended an instant head on can occur. Even scarier when they have a blue placard hanging from the mirror.

Glad you are OK.
 

ThinkFast

Live Long
I wonder if she was waiting for traffic to clear on the bridge (which you wouldn’t have been able to see). Maybe she was distracted by something else while waiting for her opening, and more focused on that than on what was happening in the oncoming lane?

I had something similar to me happen a couple weeks ago with my wife on the back. And although I’d like to believe I have mad braking skills from my racing days, I was very happy to have ABS that day - although not sure I got into it on my stop.

The weave, more light (I’ve got a super bright HID headlight), and ABS are all good suggestions, imho. In your case (as in mine), ABS might have been the only one of the three that would’ve mattered.

Sucks. Glad you’re alright.
 

Gravisman

Aspiring Racer
I almost got taken out by a turner coming off a freeway exit yesterday. They waited for the two cars in front of me and then just drove right into the space where I was without ever braking. I was right in front of their bumper and they kept coming at me. Was lucky enough to swerve and accelerate to freedom, but sometimes there’s just nothing you can do if you’re not seen.
 

Gary856

Are we having fun yet?
That's a very thorough description to analyze, so let's do that.

I was less than 40' away, maybe 1 second from passing through the intersection, when she accelerated through the left turn, directly in front of me. I *think* I was already covering the brake in anticipation of the upcoming stop sign, but I'm not certain. In any case, I instinctually grabbed the front brake lever as hard as I could. There was no gradual squeeze or any attempt at modulation - it was 100% pure reaction panic braking that locked the front wheel instantly. The road was gently bending to the right at this point, and I lowsided to the right immediately.

You don't cover your brakes 100%, especially on surface streets? Just trying to understand your riding habits. (I ride with 2 fingers on the brake lever pretty much 100% of the time.)


I slid/tumbled to a stop in the middle of the road, and my bike slid on it's right side down to her car and bumped her rear wheel. She had come to a stop in the middle of the road as well - I think she saw me partway through the turn and did a panic brake herself.

How far did she stop in your lane - 1/2 way, 3/4 of the way, or completely blocking your lane?


Lady was very apologetic and took full responsibility, and cut me a check for repairs, rather than go through insurance.

Did you ask her why she waited if she wasn't waiting for you?

Is accepting a private check the right thing to do? I mean by accepting a check does that release her of liability if you discovered some longer term or hidden injuries?


Man, this is a tough one. When it comes to "what could I have done differently?", the thing that comes to mind immediately is "buy a bike with ABS." It was something like a $500 option when I bought my bike, but I told myself that I'm a very experienced rider, I know what it's like to do threshold braking into a hairpin corner during an AFM race, I've daily commuted for over a decade and have lots of experience emergency braking and swerving when someone pulls in front of me, I can handle whatever comes up. Well, not this time. I had precisely *zero* time to think, only react, and my instinctual reaction put me on the ground. Would ABS have kept me upright? It would have given me a better chance, that's for sure.

Threshold braking when you planned to and being surprised are completely different. Agreed with you here.


Could I have used better judgement? I have a hard time faulting myself there. I was traveling at a perfectly reasonable speed, and she had all the time in the world to see me, and behaved as if she had, right up until the last instant. After all, if she didn't see me, why was she waiting there for 6+ seconds? Still don't know the answer to that one. Could I have gone slower? Sure, and she still could have turned and hit me. Am I really going to slow down to 15mph every time I pass a car waiting to turn? Realistically, no.

Agreed.


Other ways out? Swerving? There were cars to both sides (oncoming traffic waiting behind her, and a stopped car coming out of the bridge). I don't think there was room to go anywhere, even if I had the time to process the situation. MAYBE if I'd gone into a full left-hand swerve I could have cleared both her and the oncoming cars and ended up on the paved runoff to the left... not sure if that would have been correct choice though, as a misjudgment there would have put me into a head-on collision with the oncoming traffic.

How was your vision (spot or flood) as you approached, as you noticed the SUV's movement, and after you noticed the movement? Were you seeing the whole scene or looking at specific things?

It's very hard to visualize what I'd do with no reaction time (since I wasn't there, of course), but my instinct would be to either straighten up and brake, or continue right without braking and thread the needle. I probably wouldn't swerve left, since riding into the opposite lane with oncoming traffic is the bigger unknown.
 
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ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
How was your vision (spot or flood) as you approached, as you noticed the SUV's movement, and after you noticed the movement? Were you seeing the whole scene or looking at specific things?
I'm still waiting for the original poster to come back and answer the questions that I asked.

If you're going to ask for help here to understand why you crashed, you need to interact with those trying to help. At least answer our questions.
 

Beanzy

Wind free
Two things you could start practicing now that next time may save you from binning it -- emergency braking without panicking and directly steering right / left and braking. These are two drills that you can do on your own in any parking lot and maybe every day that might take all of 15 minutes of dedicated practice.

Alternatively you can take the CMSP intermediate riding course and work on those skills in class. I took the class down in San Jose last month.

Still you will need to practice the two drills as often as possible.

In emergency braking you need to (1) anticipate the need to emergency brake without panicking, (2) use both front and rear brakes, and (3) be smooth but firm in your braking, maximizing pressure on the brakes until you stop. You must practice until emergency braking becomes natural, almost instinctual; the braking is smooth and firm, with pressure on the brakes exerted gradually but quickly; and thus ensuring the front end smoothly -- and not herky jerkily -- depresses as you brake to a stop. If you can do it, you can also scoot your butt back to help stabilize the rear wheel while also pushing your head and torso over the handlebars.

Lastly keeping braking until you are completely stopped.

In emergency braking you must understand that you are not simply braking but actively trying to minimize weight transfer. I'm guessing that you braked and without knowing it stopped braking as you panicked, thus upsetting the bike's kinetic energy and heat transformation of the tires (might have this last part wrong: my notes don't quite do the terms justice).

The directly turning right or left and braking may save you from hitting a car or refrigerator in the road. Regarding left-turning cars in front of you, and a CMSP instructor can correct me if I get this part wrong, you will want to directly turn right before braking. It's not a guarantee that the turning car driver will brake once he or she realizes a motorcyclist is coming. But your driver did.

And directly turning right means you control the line you take.
 
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JHicks

Basically Homeless
Highbeam on during the daytime, always look at car wheels not the driver, and scan farther ahead and make the prediction that any car is going to turn out in front of you. Plus, don't panic brake :p
 
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