Rule to win maximum 3 titles the same competition ?

WorldSBK

WorldSBK

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Could or should the FIM have a rule to allow a rider to win a maximum of 3 titles in one same championship (MotoAmerica, SBK, motoGP ...), and then either have to move to the next level or change team ?

That would prevent situations where we watch the same Beaubier, Rea, Marquez, Doohan, Rossi winning N times the same competition, and thus killing the show ?
 
stangmx13

stangmx13

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These rules exist for some lower classes. You can point out of MA STK1000, AMA 250SX, and prob many others. IIRC, 125 and/or 250GP had a limit as well. Moto3, WSS300, and MA Jr Cup currently have age limits. I think these rules are good for the sport - not great, but necessary.

Applying such rules to the top class is against the spirit of competition and easy to circumvent. Say you ban a rider/team combo. The factory just creates a new team and the rider has the same equipment and technicians. No way you could force Márquez to another factory, too many negatives for the sport anyways.
 
Map8

Map8

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The only practical answer is to make the tracks more difficult by adding dirt sections and jumps. That should shake things up. :laughing
 
afm199

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Map8 said:
The only practical answer is to make the tracks more difficult by adding dirt sections and jumps. That should shake things up. :laughing
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Exactly, and include naked cheerleaders handing out bottles of beer at every corner.
 
stangmx13

stangmx13

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Map8 said:
The only practical answer is to make the tracks more difficult by adding dirt sections and jumps. That should shake things up. :laughing
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This year for GP may have shown us that radically changing things can really shake things up. A new different tire, an altered schedule, and dramatically reduced testing has turned the whole series upside-down. WSBK hasn't had as many differences and things are more "normal". So ya, let's add jumps!
 
Map8

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WSBK had a big shake up in the silly season (Lowes, Redding, Razgatioglu, Rinaldi, Haslam, Bautista all on new teams/bikes) and there have been five different winners and there have been more passes for the lead and closer finishes than in GP, so, arguably, it is a lot different.

Dirt and jumps would make it better still.
 
scootergmc

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stangmx13 said:
This year for GP may have shown us that radically changing things can really shake things up. A new different tire, an altered schedule, and dramatically reduced testing has turned the whole series upside-down.
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This year's GP shakeup is due to one reason, but nothing you mentioned :laughing.
 
puckles

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Definitely makes sense for feeder series in order to prevent sandbaggers and keep spots open for new guys. NASCAR has an issue with Cup drivers driving in the lower series races for extra practice. This tends to make it hard on the up and comers who get shadowed or pushed out by established cup drivers.

Premier classes are a different story though. Don't punish people for doing well...
 
stangmx13

stangmx13

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scootergmc said:
This year's GP shakeup is due to one reason, but nothing you mentioned :laughing.
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Thats a result of the shake-ups, not a cause IMO.

The point separation is very tight this year because no one has had more than 2 podiums. Even if you added 1 rider that won everything, the rest of the field would probably still be inconsistent and close in points because of that.
 
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stangmx13

stangmx13

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puckles said:
Premier classes are a different story though. Don't punish people for doing well...
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The winners absolutely need to be "punished" for doing well. Everything in motorsports is stacked against the losing teams - money, talent, etc - that you need some regulations to take advantages away from the winners and/or give advantages to the losers. Otherwise you get runaway championships and a laughable lack of competitiveness like in F1 and other GP eras. In GP and WSBK today we have concession rules. KTM GP has and will continue to show how powerful they are.
 
scootergmc

scootergmc

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stangmx13 said:
Thats a result of the shake-ups, not a cause IMO.

The point separation is very tight this year because no one has had more than 2 podiums. Even if you added 1 rider that won everything, the rest of the field would probably still be inconsistent and close in points because of that.
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MM's arm has nothing to do with testing, tires, or schedule shake ups. It has to do with a simple point in time, attributable to nothing but his riding style and the freaky nature of moto injuries that go with crashing. If not for that, anyone honest knows he'd be 80-100 points ahead of everyone else, who yes, would then be floundering around for one reason or another, notably the reasons you mentioned.
 
stangmx13

stangmx13

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scootergmc said:
MM's arm has nothing to do with testing, tires, or schedule shake ups. It has to do with a simple point in time, attributable to nothing but his riding style and the freaky nature of moto injuries that go with crashing. If not for that, anyone honest knows he'd be 80-100 points ahead of everyone else, who yes, would then be floundering around for one reason or another, notably the reasons you mentioned.
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The whole field seems to be dealing with more crashes and more resulting injuries. Rins, Cal, Pecco, Miller, Zarco, Petrucci, and MM were injured after only 5 rounds. That doesnt seem to be average. This implies that something is causing an increase in crashes & injuries - I blame the shakeups obviously. If the other riders were affected, so was MM. Suggesting that the shakeups had no impact on MM or his chances of crashing doesnt seem right.

And cmon, MM's riding style is to crash in practice and not in the race. He got a lot less practice during the off-season. So he crashed in the race, practically twice. Can it be that simple...
 
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Map8

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R3DS!X said:
I'm all for this! We need GP level supermoto!
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They have been so close.

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