riding through dirt

AkatomboRR

"the first of his name"
So I went up to Mines for the first time and encountered several things on the road. Lizards, cow poop, snakes, and dirt/gravel.
The only ones I ran over w/ my tires were the dirt/gravel. Front end lost traction twice and rear came out a little once.
Any tips when that happens mid corner? I saw the derbies while heading to the junction so I had a pretty good idea that I will be coming across those patches on the way back down.
 

Ol' Gravy Leg

That's my Jam!
Loft the front before entering the turn. No way to lose traction if the tire is in the air.:thumbup

(I apologize...I couldn't help myself :blush)
 

Gary856

Are we having fun yet?
hold steady on the throttle if you lose the rear.

Same with the front. Loose on the bar and the bike recovers by itself.

If you have any significant lean on a dirt patch the tires will slide, so it's a matter of picking your way thru, either avoiding the dirt patches, or minimizing the lean until you're thru.
 

corndog67

Pissant Squid
Look farther up the road. You shouldn't be going so fast that you can't slow if you see some hinky traction situations up ahead. It's the street, remember? Lots of changing situations out there.
 

AkatomboRR

"the first of his name"
Look farther up the road. You shouldn't be going so fast that you can't slow if you see some hinky traction situations up ahead. It's the street, remember? Lots of changing situations out there.

I was going through these turns at about 25-30mph since they were blind.
What is wrong w/ Mine's road that the only posted speed limit I saw on there the whole time was 45mph.. How come there's no warning on slow ass turns w/ posted speed? So I don't have to guess how fast to go through the turns.. :|
 

AkatomboRR

"the first of his name"
Same with the front. Loose on the bar and the bike recovers by itself.

If you have any significant lean on a dirt patch the tires will slide, so it's a matter of picking your way thru, either avoiding the dirt patches, or minimizing the lean until you're thru.

I was trying to be as loose as possible on the bar and keeping the bike neutral through the whole turn. Just curious if anyone else had tips other than those.

Thanks~
 

flying_hun

Adverse Selection
Stay on the throttle. If you're slowing, it's more likely the front will slide. Not a lot of throttle, but enough to keep weight from transferring to the front wheel.
 

corndog67

Pissant Squid
What are you riding , Tony? Some bikes work better or worse than others. My KTM feels supremely planted on any kind of surface, even sandy/dirty turns on the street, whereas my old Duc would feel like it was going to lose the front on the same surface.
 

Hooli

Big Ugly
What is wrong w/ Mine's road that the only posted speed limit I saw on there the whole time was 45mph.

Oh, let's see:

Gravel in blind corners
Decreasing radius corners
Livestock
Suicidal squirrels
Vultures
Undivided lanes in some spots
Bicyclists

And emu. Yes I said Emu...Noid and I had a pair pace us alongside the road at up to 35mph a few years back. :wow
 

jimboFosho

Well-known member
I think you have the right idea. Try to stay as neutral as possible, smooth as possible, no funky bar input
 

AkatomboRR

"the first of his name"
What are you riding , Tony? Some bikes work better or worse than others. My KTM feels supremely planted on any kind of surface, even sandy/dirty turns on the street, whereas my old Duc would feel like it was going to lose the front on the same surface.

S2R800
 

planegray

Redwood Original
Staff member
So I went up to Mines for the first time and encountered several things on the road. Lizards, cow poop, snakes, and dirt/gravel.
The only ones I ran over w/ my tires were the dirt/gravel. Front end lost traction twice and rear came out a little once.
Any tips when that happens mid corner? I saw the derbies while heading to the junction so I had a pretty good idea that I will be coming across those patches on the way back down.

I don't know what kind of bike you're on, or what kind of moto experiences you've had.. but for me, when the road gets goaty I start riding like I'm on a dirt bike; keep it upright while braking into the turn, as soon as you see the exit release the brakes, dip down to make the turn, pick it back upright and accelerate
 

crick

Doodler
I was going through these turns at about 25-30mph since they were blind.
What is wrong w/ Mine's road that the only posted speed limit I saw on there the whole time was 45mph.. How come there's no warning on slow ass turns w/ posted speed? So I don't have to guess how fast to go through the turns.. :|

Mines/mt hamilton doesnt have signs for blind corners that sometimes needs something like 15 mph to navigate through. If the corners blind and i'm unfamiliar, i slow down to a pace/lean that i know can navigate through dirt patches.
 

louemc

Well-known member
So I went up to Mines for the first time and encountered several things on the road. Lizards, cow poop, snakes, and dirt/gravel.
The only ones I ran over w/ my tires were the dirt/gravel. Front end lost traction twice and rear came out a little once.
Any tips when that happens mid corner? I saw the derbies while heading to the junction so I had a pretty good idea that I will be coming across those patches on the way back down.

Every corner may as well be considered, as different, so tips, of do this or do that, actually aren't that carved in stone.

Except..Ride dirt to learn how to ride dirt.

That will also teach you to ride over any low traction surface, that is what a street rider has to cope with. Wet turn arrows, coolant/oil smeeze at intersections, steel plates & cattle guards, spills...On and On.

Yes reading has a helping function, it helps to have an idea what to practice at, how to do things..But..You have to do it, enough so you don't have to think about it when You need it. You Have to have done it in so many different conditions, You know what the signals are, that your bike is giving You, at the first nano second -to- micro second and how to recover.

This Does Not come from reading.

There, the ball is in Your court...Whether or not it is a tip or Blah Blah gibberish..
depends on how it processes in Your brain. :ride
 

redtail

only ones and zeroes
... riding like I'm on a dirt bike; keep it upright while braking into the turn, ...

This.

Mines road, Morgan Territory road and ones like it, require a a some what different approach. The more you ride the road, the better you'll be since you'll know the corners better. Single lane roads become especially challenging since you must accomodate the unexpected should you encounter another vehicle. Since that road is not heavily traveled, especially during the week days, many people don't expect to see another vehicle. On parts of the road, you can glance ahead across the side of the mountain and see a vehicle coming the other direction and therefor anticipate when you'll have stay further right. Otherwise, when entering a blind corner, if you're on the mountain side, stay on the inside but expect debris and expect a vehicle. Stay on top of the bike, like PlaneGray suggests, and when leaning in the corner, lean the bike into the corner not you. If you've never ridden in the dirt, this may seem unnatural. Also, personally if I'm in that kind of environment, I tend to run lower air pressure, YMMV.

Your Ducati is a good bike for that road, I prefer my sumo when I head up there. Something light and with a more upright seating position, makes riding that road fun once you're used to it. I've ridden bigger, heavier bikes up there, such as a few sportbikes and a Goldwing. And for me, a liter sportbike can feel like you're wrestling a bear on parts of that road.

It's a fun road, but you have to know the road, understand the traffic, and respect the conditions. I've encountered a huge bull lying in the road chewing its cudd along with all the other things mentioned by Hooli, so stay aware. :thumbup
 

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
When you see dirt in an upcoming turn, try to plan your line to get steering done BEFORE you reach it. If you hit the dirty bit with braking done, already leaned into the turn, and steady on the gas, it's much easier.

There are a few turns on my regular rides where I expect to find dirt, and I go through it to stay in practice.
 
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