Riding loose

JMardy

More head - less ass

chukwu

Member
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You do have your license, right? I think you would really benefit from some proper instruction such as:
https://www.totalcontroltraining.net/riding-courses/beginner-riding-clinic

I already did some basic training cmsp ... umm I never really when as fast as before so I think fear was mostly my problem and I didn’t prepare my speed timely... also maybe u think I sped through the sign at like 30ish mph I when through it but if the was like a car so something I could’ve like stop but awkwardly pass the sign in the crosswalk..
... ohh and it’s been 3 days since that happened I don’t have problems stopping at the same stop sign..
 

Junkie

gone for now
It's far better to stop awkwardly in the crosswalk in 3rd gear than it is to blow a stop sign, especially at 30.

You need more training and practice before riding on the street if you'd rather not die.
 
I already did some basic training cmsp ... umm I never really when as fast as before so I think fear was mostly my problem and I didn’t prepare my speed timely... also maybe u think I sped through the sign at like 30ish mph I when through it but if the was like a car so something I could’ve like stop but awkwardly pass the sign in the crosswalk..
... ohh and it’s been 3 days since that happened I don’t have problems stopping at the same stop sign..

Might be a good idea to find a parking lot and just accelerate and brake, make sure tires are warmed up and go a little faster and brake, and brake and brake!

Chances are you not even coming close to the potential braking ability of the bike.

Do you know any other riders close to you that you can ride with? Maybe they can help you understand braking when you see them do it...

You REALLY should try to dial in the brakes, you WILL need to be able to use them. Im not trying to bust your ass, I understand we make mistakes, post things we wish we didnt as everyone just keeps going back to it, but this is literally life and death! Saying that you are now stopping at the sign doesnt mean you learned anything new about braking it just means you know where the stop sign is. Our concern is that you would need the brakes when your not expecting it...

While what everybody said is great advice I would add that you probably feel like you are going so fast because you are one with the outside for the first time in your life. We have a sense of security when in vehicles but motorcycles take that feeling away. it takes time to get used to....
 

motomania2007

TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor
Contact some of the CMSP training sites. They offer one on one, by the hour training. You can use your bike or the training bikes.

I know this is offered by Pacific Motorcycle Training in South SF and San Jose. It is also offered by Two Wheel Safety Training in Newark, Santa Clara (Mission college) and south san Jose at coyote campus of Gavilan college
 

chukwu

Member
It's far better to stop awkwardly in the crosswalk in 3rd gear than it is to blow a stop sign, especially at 30.

You need more training and practice before riding on the street if you'd rather not die.

“Maybe u think I sped through the sign at 30” I as I said before I think ur miss reading the situation but thanks everyone else for the advice I used it well today made the same trip much more confident and comfortable.. I still have same lingering fear but I’m keeping my head up and processing thing much earlier then before..
 

chukwu

Member
Might be a good idea to find a parking lot and just accelerate and brake, make sure tires are warmed up and go a little faster and brake, and brake and brake!

Chances are you not even coming close to the potential braking ability of the bike.

Do you know any other riders close to you that you can ride with? Maybe they can help you understand braking when you see them do it...

You REALLY should try to dial in the brakes, you WILL need to be able to use them. Im not trying to bust your ass, I understand we make mistakes, post things we wish we didnt as everyone just keeps going back to it, but this is literally life and death! Saying that you are now stopping at the sign doesnt mean you learned anything new about braking it just means you know where the stop sign is. Our concern is that you would need the brakes when your not expecting it...

While what everybody said is great advice I would add that you probably feel like you are going so fast because you are one with the outside for the first time in your life. We have a sense of security when in vehicles but motorcycles take that feeling away. it takes time to get used to....
Yea I trying to get to point where I could actually make it to the parking lot at city college (where I took my cmsp) and really get to know my bike. I live kinda far from it and there not any open lots where I am far as I know... the route I’m been practicing is pretty empty but there are a good amount of hills so I had to get good with my throttle (with I did) and astraight area where I can gain speed.. I don’t have money to pay for classes at the moment college semester is coming.. but I’m not riding anywhere advanced I’m just going where I feel comfortable.. I do need a space to practice my fast breaks and swerves(because there were fun at the cmsp)
So yea practice basically lol that’s what I’ve been doing just to clarify...
 

chukwu

Member
Actually anyone still still reading this have experience practicing in a schools parking lots.. there’s one kinda close to my house with a pretty big lot... but I don’t want the get the police called on me or whatever.. are public schools private property.. it’s pretty empty at nights just one car there all the time (probably the janitor )
 
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Enchanter

Ghost in The Machine
Staff member
You can ride in school parking lots

Yes and no.

Yes, if I were a newer rider I’d ride in any open / clear parking lot until the owners asked me to leave.

Public School parking lots aren’t ‘public’ in the sense that people can do anything they want in them.
 

MapleRoad

Well-known member
If the cops get called on you for riding in the parking lot on a street-legal bike, and you have a license, with insurance, and you're not hooning, doing wheelies, revbombing, or any other behaviors that really annoy people, I'll bet any amount that you're not getting a ticket. You might spend some time talking to the cops and them checking your documents, they might say "pack it in for the night" or "go somewhere else" or "people are complaining and we don't want that".

I think mostly they'll check your docs and say they had calls and then give zero fucks. You're not a threat to public safety.
 

EastBayDave

- Kawasaki Fanatic -
Some folks grip the tank with their knees.

My style is weight on the pegs and a firm grip on the bars, but otherwise I let the bike move around a bit, with my ass lightly on the seat.

This is in the twisties. No comment in slabbing. I suppose if I had to ride in traffic much weight would on the pegs as I maintain vigilance.

I stand almost 100% when riding a dirtbike. And my ‘tard.
:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup
 

dravnx

Well-known member
If the cops get called on you for riding in the parking lot on a street-legal bike, and you have a license, with insurance, and you're not hooning, doing wheelies, revbombing, or any other behaviors that really annoy people, I'll bet any amount that you're not getting a ticket. You might spend some time talking to the cops and them checking your documents, they might say "pack it in for the night" or "go somewhere else" or "people are complaining and we don't want that".

I think mostly they'll check your docs and say they had calls and then give zero fucks. You're not a threat to public safety.

This. Be pleasant and non confrontational, have all you docs accessible and in order and you'll be asked to move on. Sorry, no problem, I'll be leaving now. Have nice day.
 

Garrinn

Well-known member
Riding loose is to have upper body free and relaxed but lower a tad stiffer or stronger. You need your knees to be active and strong to be able being relaxed with upper body.

You have to countersteer to steer and to countersteer properly, your hands need to be relaxed, counter steering is a matter of delegates, not power.

You could easily steer your bike with your fingers, the "counter" pressure needed isn't much at least at low to middle speed (high speed over 120mph)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljywO-B_yew

Here is a very informative rider with Youtube channel in your area.

His advice are: Chill - Boop - Roll

Chill your upper body. Boop is to countersteer. Roll is to gently give gas when exit turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPgmSYlrwU
 

tzrider

Write Only User
Staff member
Rawhyde Adventure had a little seminar at SJ BMW and they mentioned that you want to be tense on the motorcycle because if you hit a bump or something you are more likely to loose control of the bike because you will jerk the bike where your body is moving.

There has already been a lot of good advice on the thread but you raise a good point above: Some riders are tight on the bars because they feel the front end wiggling around and at some level are trying to "control" that.

It helps to realize that on a single track vehicle, the steering is part of the suspension. The suspension's job is to keep the tire in contact with the road. When the front wheel of the bike wiggles back and forth a little bit, it is doing exactly that. If the rider gets tight on the bars, they are interfering with the bike's ability to maintain best contact with the road.

Knowing that is a normal phenomenon can be enough to convince a rider to relax.
 

Biga

Near Miss Racing #96
To go right push on the right bar, to go left push the on left bar. This called counter steering and you learned how to do it when you learned how to ride a bicycle. Use your front brake mainly and use the rear brake lightly. Look where want to go, not where you are going. Always look far ahead and when in traffic behind a car, ride to one side of then lane or the other so you look around the car and see whats going on up ahead. Take your advice from riders who have been riding a long time, the older/wiser the better.

You will crash eventually so get geared up. And remember this, there two kinds of motorcycle riders. Those who have crashed and those that are going to.

There are old riders and there are bold riders but there are no old and bold riders.
 

afm199

Well-known member
thats a good point. I accidentally did a sighting lap on track without earplugs. holy fuck it was loud and felt really fast. it was also impossible to concentrate with that extra sensory input.

I did one with open unfiltered flat slides on an SV650 and my eardrums rang the rest of the day.
 

Lewd_Ferrigno

Well-known member
Try to work on your core for riding. I grip the tank (not tightly) with my knees and keep a fairly loose grip on the bars.

As many have said, practice in a parking lot is a good thing. What I woul do is practice stopping from different speeds. Start out slow (stop from 10mph or 20mph) then gradually work up to faster speeds. No need to try to panic stop from those speeds. Get used to the natural dive of braking.

Also, and you'll hear differing opinions on this, I recommend using both brakes when stopping. most of your braking power will be concentrated in the front. When you grab a handful of brake, quickly, you'll dive faster. Concentrate on smooth, for the street. I'm not saying to not practice panic stops, just build up to them. You'll be able to feel, eventually, when your tire starts to lock up. That's different with each bike, so this is something even experienced riders do when they get on a different bike, so it's good practice to carry on in your riding career.

If your bike has ABS, you can grab the brake harder, without worrying about locking the front (in a straight line. Leaned over is different)

One of the best things about motorcycles is that the same physics apply to both a small and a big bike. The speed at which things occur is different, but what you learn on a 100cc bike will apply to a literbike. The point is you can learn a lot from a small bike, and do it at more managable speeds.

Also, and this is very, very important, look where you want to go. This is simple advice, but SOOO many people don't do it. What I mean by this is where you want to end up. If you go into a corner, don't look at the curb, or the houses, or the armco, look where you plan on exiting the turn.

If you have trouble with moving forward under braking, and need help gripping the tank, some skateboard grip tape or Stompgrip works wonders.

Good luck, ride safe
 

Lewd_Ferrigno

Well-known member
One other thing, and this is personal opinion, don't rush to move up in engine size. I've ridden some scary fast race bikes and have ridden for over 30 years, and I always wind up on a smaller bike because it forces you to hone your riding skills and not just whack open a throttle.

That's just my opinion, others will differ.
 
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