Registering a Race bike..

[duh_ave]

Tehnically, all vehicles have to have some sort of permit to be transported on a public hiway, enclosed trailer or not.

It will really depend on the officer that decideds to stop you.

PNO is a one time fee, as is a transport permit.
A transport permit is NOT a PNO.

A transport permit will allow you to non-op your reg (now no need for insurance, etc) and still allow you to transport the bike without issue. It does not allow you to ride it on the road, just transport it.

 

[t.tinyo]

Junked bike?

I have an EX250 track bike that is listed as junked.Does any one know if its very difficult to get a salvage title for it ?Forgive me if I hijacked your thread.

 

[kabazauls]

The non-ops I've ever had were a one time fee. I don't know any thing about the transportation thing though.

 

[kirkmoon]

Wanted to say thanks for posting this stuff. I bought an already race converted SV650 with a Texas title a while back. A string of several prior owners had not gone to the trouble of transferring the title, so when I bought it the title was several people removed from the original owner. No odometer. No EPA sticker. No street legal stuff on the bike. Could have been ugly.

I showed them a printout of this thread and everything went perfectly. I got a new California Title in my name and also got the Transport Permit - no one had heard of it and they had to go in the back and find a dusty old collection of these things. They insisted that I do a PNO, but I didn't mind. It was only a one time fee of $15 and it didn't seem as though it was worth arguing about. The Transport Permit was another one time fee of $15 (the sticker they gave me looked like it was 20 years old and still said $3 on it.)

Thanks again. Super helpful. Wouldn't have tried it without this info.

 

[rxrated]

Sticker location..

This sounds like the correct rte for sure..So where did they suggest placing the sticker?? WHere on the BIKE ?

 

[Red6Rdr]

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[kirkmoon]

Re: Sticker location..

This sounds like the correct rte for sure..So where did they suggest placing the sticker?? WHere on the BIKE ?

The DMV folks didn't even know these stickers existed and I didn't ask them where to put it on the bike when I was there, but I doubt that they would have had a knowledgeable answer for me.

I ended up putting it on the left hand frame under the race bodywork. In that location it didn't stick out visually but you could see it if you wanted to point it out to someone.

 

[tiltedworld]

I just went through this with the DMV. Good thing I was prepared to be there a while and stayed in a pleasant mood/demeanor for the 1.5 hours it took them to figure it out with Sacramento.

The fee HAS gone up from $3 to $16 and is still one time. They will give you a transport decal for the bike right then and there, so hopefully Sacramento won't hassle me.

The DMV supervisor I dealt with was intrigued by something she never knew about and was actually helpful. She did give me copies of the infamous "Form 712" needed to register a race bike, so if anyone needs a copy, let me know and I'll fax it to you.

 

[DucatiHoney]

Awesome thread, y'all. I just bought an ex-race bike for the track and I wanted to get my paperwork in order. The DMV gal was at first annoyed...she left and returned with two supervisors. We didn't get off on the right foot because she didn't understand what I was in there for. My appointment said "Transfer of Title" and when I didn't fall exactly into that category it apparently messed up her day. I whipped out the vehicle code for which links were provided and it was a slam-dunk case. She flipped through a bunch of books, typed in a few codes and we were done. I paid my $16 for the permit and a few extra bucks to transfer the title into my name. They told me not to bother putting the sticker on but to keep it with my paperwork. It took me about 45 minutes to get it all straightened out, but not too bad overall. When I left, the DMV lady said, "Thanks for challenging us! That was fun!" :laughing

 

[JimE]

What about the purpose built track only bikes like the Honda, Yamaha and Aprilia 125's and 250's? They come with no title and a rather wacky VIN. Most available are used and typically things like a bill of sale are never made out due to the lack of a title or registration (much less lights, signals, battery or starter!). I've never seen one with any kind of sticker or paperwork so far in 6 years of racing a 125. Any ideas?

 

[Tigre13]

If I buy an out of state bike with or without a title, will I need to pay excise tax in order to go through this process?

 

[rumblephish]

I PNO two vehicles. My Jeep and my Busa.

I only paid the one time fee for planned non-op and each year recieve a statement that says if nothing has changed there is nothing due. I can transport both via trailer, accordign to the local CHP office.

So my question is, why is there even a need to do it any other way?

 

[duh_ave]

because the non op means that it is supposed to be sitting. California law requires it be permiited/ registered to be used or transported on a public road/ hiway.
You can leave the non op on the street reg and still get the transport permit. This was you can rereg it for street duty any time you want.

 

[deathbug74]

I only paid the one time fee for planned non-op and each year recieve a statement that says if nothing has changed there is nothing due.

+1

i have a junker motorbike on PNO; same thing every year; "no changes, no fee to stay PNO"

 

[duh_ave]

right, and its parked on a "permanent" kinds basis right?
throw it in your truck and if you get stopped and it gets checked, it may lose if PNO status
that why we have to get "moving permits" and transport permits

 

[rumblephish]

hmmm, not that I'm arguing with you but the CHP office here in Modesto (Salida actually) told me I could trailer it to the track no problem.

 

[kirkmoon]

hmmm, not that I'm arguing with you but the CHP office here in Modesto (Salida actually) told me I could trailer it to the track no problem.

From what I have read, it is technically not legal to transport a PNO vehicle on a public road, even if it is in the back of a truck or trailer, but I have heard quotes from LEOs that they would never cite anyone for this and that as long as the PNO vehicle isn't being operated on or parked on public roads, they are OK with it.

I sold the bike that I got the transport permit for and currently own two race bikes that are PNOed only. No transport permits. I never drive them or park them on public roads and take them to the track in the back of my pickup. I am not worried about being cited. YMMV.

 

[ThinkFast]

Howdy all. So I just bought Kirk's SV racebike. And while the info here is quite informative, I still have a couple questions that I'm hoping some of you might have an answer for. Here's the deal: The SV is a 2005 model, converted to full race, with a current title. I believe Kirk had it PNO'd, and transport stickered.

So he signed the title over to me, and filled out the release of liability form for himself that he will send in to the DMV - it has my name and address on it.

So given the above, if I do not plan on converting back to a street bike, do I still need to go through Title transfer; and registration? That will end up costing me some bucks that would be nice to avoid (tires, race fees, etc are better use of that money, imho...).

Thanks for any info.
-Tom

 

[duh_ave]

So given the above, if I do not plan on converting back to a street bike, do I still need to go through Title transfer; and registration? That will end up costing me some bucks that would be nice to avoid (tires, race fees, etc are better use of that money, imho...).

Thanks for any info.
-Tom

yes, you are supposed to do this.
No one will come looking for you if you dont, except for the seller maybe, but it can have other ramifications down the road.

You dont have to register it, just continue the non op, or switch to a "title only" and tell them its a race bike.
The transport permit expired on sale, so get another of those if you wish. They're pretty cheap.

 

[czarb]

Ok, a wierd addition: If I buy a bike that is registered out of state with less than 7500 miles that isn't California emmissions ready, and I get the title only, PNO, and transportation permit? What would the ramifications be if I wanted to back-covert the same bike to a street bike later if I originally brought it into Cali with less than the 7500 miles, even if I later exceeded the 7500 mile threshold?

I'm assuming that sales tax would also be collected at the same time...