Radical front suspension design to be raced in Moto2
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RightCoastBias
F8TRED
I doubt that will ever come to Moto2. Moto2 is designed as a feeder for GP and unless GP goes away from telescopic forks, the other classes won't.
Interesting concept, but Bimota and Vyrus have been doing this for a while.
Interesting concept, but Bimota and Vyrus have been doing this for a while.
weak_link
Hugh Jasole
Bimota used hub steering, this is a little different. Looks cool but agree it will be tough to get anyone to actually adopt it.
RightCoastBias
F8TRED
Ahhh, reread the article, aka not just skimming it, and see my mistake.
DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
No mention of the Yamaha GTS1000 with James Parker's RADD front end, the Britten, or the BMW Duolever/Telelever--all of which date to the 1990s. Nothing really new here.
I think I've concluded that, with all its disadvantages, the telescopic fork is the best front suspension available for racing. Other working designs have been around long enough that, if there were a viable replacement, it would have appeared in MotoGP by now.
Massive steering head? Maybe weight is actually in the right place on the motorcycle for best roll behavior. Lower it, and the bike will be more reluctant to lean.
Rake steepening under braking? A feature, not a bug, because steering is quicker at turn-in.
I think I've concluded that, with all its disadvantages, the telescopic fork is the best front suspension available for racing. Other working designs have been around long enough that, if there were a viable replacement, it would have appeared in MotoGP by now.
Massive steering head? Maybe weight is actually in the right place on the motorcycle for best roll behavior. Lower it, and the bike will be more reluctant to lean.
Rake steepening under braking? A feature, not a bug, because steering is quicker at turn-in.
berth
Well-known member
BMW also had that other system for a year or two on the introduction of their new K-Bikes as I recall.
The most typical criticism of these systems is feel. I can't say anything about that, but Them That Can typically complain that they can't feel the front end as well.
I didn't know Moto2 was a prototype class, I always thought it was sorta production -- I guess only the motor needs to be production.
The most typical criticism of these systems is feel. I can't say anything about that, but Them That Can typically complain that they can't feel the front end as well.
I didn't know Moto2 was a prototype class, I always thought it was sorta production -- I guess only the motor needs to be production.
ScottRNelson
Mr. Dual Sport Rider
From the article: "It's so stable under braking and into a corner that Motoinno says it's up to a whole second faster through a single corner than the same rider on a GSX-R750".
I don't believe that for a minute. What else is extreme wishful thinking?
I kind of like the MotoCzyz front suspension that they came out with before they started doing electric bikes. That one looked like it would be a big improvement over the telescopic forks that we all use today.
I don't believe that for a minute. What else is extreme wishful thinking?
I kind of like the MotoCzyz front suspension that they came out with before they started doing electric bikes. That one looked like it would be a big improvement over the telescopic forks that we all use today.
stangmx13
not Stan
Transfiormers already ran a telelever front in Moto2 for a few rounds. Lucas Mahias was there rider. he can podium in WSS and CEV Moto2, but he didnt score points in GP Moto2.
the article lists Vyrus as already raced in Moto2 w/ hub-centric. thats wrong. they raced in CEV Moto2, the Spanish National Championship. competitive for sure, but no where near the talent or chassis development of real Moto2.
"a whole second faster" in a single corner is only possible with shitty riders and/or poorly setup bikes.
agreed. usually the only people that complain about brake dive are the ones that dont know how to use its advantages to go fast on a track. no one is ever searching for 0 brake dive. they are always looking for the perfect amount for the rider/track/conditions/tires/etc
the article lists Vyrus as already raced in Moto2 w/ hub-centric. thats wrong. they raced in CEV Moto2, the Spanish National Championship. competitive for sure, but no where near the talent or chassis development of real Moto2.
"a whole second faster" in a single corner is only possible with shitty riders and/or poorly setup bikes.
agreed. usually the only people that complain about brake dive are the ones that dont know how to use its advantages to go fast on a track. no one is ever searching for 0 brake dive. they are always looking for the perfect amount for the rider/track/conditions/tires/etc
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Lunch Box
Useful idiot
Not even the motors are production. They are spec motors, meaning they are all identical, but it is far from a production 600 motor.
stangmx13
not Stan
its a stock CBR600RR motor w/ HRC pistons, HRC cams, HRC valvesprings, a different thickness head-gasket, and diff ratios for 1st and 2nd gear. its more modified than a Superstock motor but less so than a Supersport one. its no where close to a prototype engine.
Frame Maker
Well-known member
...or Ner-A-Car which dates to 1918... nope, nothing new.
stangmx13
not Stan
Killroy1999
Well-known member
That look in the 2nd Video:
"Stop humping the Motoinno suspension, Mini Me"
I like it.
"You can think of the system as something like a MacPherson strut car suspension system."
No it's not.
Yet, it is like a front double wishbone suspension on a car with a extra pivot for the steering.
"Stop humping the Motoinno suspension, Mini Me"
I like it.
"You can think of the system as something like a MacPherson strut car suspension system."
No it's not.
Yet, it is like a front double wishbone suspension on a car with a extra pivot for the steering.
russ69
Backside Slider
Honda would pay a couple of hundred million for that.
