Possible Battery problem

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
Well, my bike's been in the shop for about two weeks now, so I'm just going to go there and try to check out the battery myself, I'm thinking that's the problem. So does anyone know what the volatge the battery gives out when it's off, and on? I'm reading the manual right now, and I'm going to head out to the dealership in about 30 minutes. Any help would be apprecaited. Thanks.
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
Well, let me describe the problem, just in case. My terminology might be off, so it might be confusing.

I hit the ignition button, and the engine starts to turn, but it doesn't fire up. I have to hold the ignition button and twist the throttle to get it to fire up. Sometimes, it just keeps turning over, then it just stops, and there is a clicking noise. Any ideas? Thanks!
 

Deeter

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When it cranks, but doesn't catch . . . is that when the engine is cold, hot, or always? Choke on or off? Have you checked your plugs to see if they aren't carboned over? Has the shop actually looked at the bike since its been there, or are they just pounding the pud?

When it goes from turning over to just clicking . . . does the turning over portion of the process sound slower than it should? It sounds to me like you're at the end of your charge.

A sealed "maintenece-free" battery should read 13.0 v at 100% charge, 12.8 at 75%, 12.5 at 50%, and 12.2 at 25%. If it is just the battery, be sure whatever charger you use charges at a current compatible with the battery. Don't ask me how I know this, but if you charge a 0.9mA battery at 2A, you will kill it, end of story. Hope this helps . . . if not, email me at skaht23@hotmail.com
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
"When it cranks, but doesn't catch . . . is that when the engine is cold, hot, or always? "

Always, I just got back, turned off the bike, and turned it on again, same problem.

"Choke on or off?"

Both, doesn't change the outcome.

"Have you checked your plugs to see if they aren't carboned over?"

I don't know how to do that, I'm pretty good with cars, but an idiot when it comes to bikes.

"Has the shop actually looked at the bike since its been there, or are they just pounding the pud?"

Never even touched it since I dropped it off.

"When it goes from turning over to just clicking . . . does the turning over portion of the process sound slower than it should? It sounds to me like you're at the end of your charge. "

Actually, it doesn't do this anymore. I just hold the ignition, and it catched eventually.

Just got back from the dealership with my baby. I tested the battery with the volt meter, the battery is still good. Around 13 v.

I just thought of something. I was reading the sticker saying not to overfill, otherwise the fuel will expand and go into the "Evaporative Emission Control System casing hard starting"
What can I do to check this?

Thanks Deeter for the help too!!!
 
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Deeter

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First question then is, have you made any changes to the bike prior to its current problems? Added a pipe, changed the jetting, anything like that?

Second thing, make sure your petcock is all the way in the "on" or "reserve" position. A half-way engaged petcock could, I supposed cause something like what you're experiencing.

>> "Have you checked your plugs to see if they aren't carboned over?"

I don't know how to do that, I'm pretty good with cars, but an idiot when it comes to bikes. <<

I've got the opposite problem -- I do alright with bikes, but am totally lost with cars. :D

What you need to do is figure out how the tank comes off your bike. Your owners manual might describe how to do it, and if it doesn't then you're stuck having to get a Clymers/Haynes type manual, or the more expensive, difficult to understand, but ultimately all-inclusive Kawasaki Shop Manual for your bike. One of those should detail how you do it.

Anyhow, once you get under the tank, you should be able to simply pull the spark plug caps off the plugs, use a wrench to pull the plugs, and then should be able to visibly inspect the plugs themselves. If the metal leads look like they're all black, and carbon-encrusted, that could prevent you from being able to start reliable, and would also more than likely to cause your bike to run a little rough once it started. If the plugs look old and crusty like that, it might be a good idea to get some replacements at best, and at least use a knife or something sharp to scrape off some of the carbon. But it'll surely happen again in due time.

>> "Has the shop actually looked at the bike since its been there, or are they just pounding the pud?"

Never even touched it since I dropped it off. <<

Yay, must've been the dealership, right? :rolleyes

>> Just got back from the dealership with my baby. I tested the battery with the volt meter, the battery is still good. Around 13 v. <<

That sounds like the battery is at the top of its game, rule that out as a culprit.

>> I just thought of something. I was reading the sticker saying not to overfill, otherwise the fuel will expand and go into the "Evaporative Emission Control System casing hard starting"
What can I do to check this? <<

It's possible, but that would go away after a bit . . . especially after you've ridden it a bit and burnt off some of the gas in the tank.

Just for sh*ts and giggles, you may want to just pop the gas cap open and see if you get a *whoosh* of air. I've heard of some CA model bikes (Yamaha cruisers, mostly) coming with the gas cap vent plugged up, which, in some rare extreme circumstances, caused the tank to implode, but generally just caused hard starting.

Try these things and see if any of them pan out. Let me know what you find!
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
Yeah, I'm going to try the petcock, and I'm going to run my entire tank out, hit the reserve, and go fill up again, maybe that would fix it.

As for mods, nothing at all. It's all stock.

I'm going to do that spark plug check last, I don't want to work start anything major until I try all these little things first. I'll run down the entire tank in a few hours, so I'll be back again soon.

Oh yeah, no woosh when I opened the gas tank.
 

Sage

what goes here?
"it just keeps turning over, then it just stops, and there is a clicking noise"

sounds like the battery is low.......... also on kawasaki's when the voltage drops below 10v the ignition will not fire, so a good battery is important, sometimes when your stuck with a low battery the bike will bump start but will not electric start.
 
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KillSwitch

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i have to agree with sage on this one. that clicking noise is a dead giveaway. happens to my bike and cars when they've been sittin'. after getting a jump, everything is hunky dory. some say jump starting a bike off a car is a no-no, but it's worked for me so far. alternatively, you could push-start your bike. might want to invest in a battery tender...maw has em on sale for thirty-something dollars.

you do have your engine cut off switch in the run position, right? :twofinger also does your bike have a tip-over engine cut-off? might want to check that too. when i swapped subframes on my bike, i reinstalled the tip-over sensor upside down. bike would crank for days but never fire up. had to walk myself through the procedure again before discovering it (the top was even marked "Upper," but somehow i missed it. d'oh!).

on side note...didnt you post that you had to sell your bike?
 
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88/750

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I'm going with you, sage & killswitch first, I think the battery is low and possibly needs replacing.
I would try this first:
#1) check the water level in your battery,

#2) put it on a charger on a real low setting with the fill plugs out (if it has them) for about a day and a half, until FULLY charged. (A battery can read the correct amount of volts, but still not have enough amps.)

#3) try the bike.
If it doesn't start right away, try bump starting it by pushing it down the street at about as fast as you can, with the key+gas+and power "on". Then jump un the seat, dump the clutch in 2nd gear, and gas it! You may has to do this a few times, but not that many. If this doesn't do it, it's more than just a low battery and Deeter's right, the plugs probably need inspecting.
Good luck!
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
Thanks for the help everyone. Here are the results of what happened so far

I just held the ignition button down until the bike started. Took about 30 secs again. So I went blasting around town until my gas ran out, and I pulled over and hit the reserve switch. Rode around a little more and got some gas, this time just adding like 2 gallons, instead of topping it off like usual. Bike fired up a lot better, like 10 secs. Rode home, went into the garage, turned off the bike, and turned it back on, started right up with no problems. I haven't tried it since, so when I go to school in the morning, hopefully it will work.

Yeah, I was trying to sell my bike because I couldn't afford it after cutting down work hours for school, but I'm just going to deal with working more and school. It's worth it!
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
Damn, here's what happened this morning. I turned on the bike, and remember how I said it sometimes makes a clicking noise, it happened again. Only this time, I listened longer and more carefully, and it sounds nothing like a click, more like fluid being sucked. Sounds like some sort of fuel problem

JeffreyLebowski from SBN said "I had that same problem after getting my bike back from the shop. they replaced the tank so I think the carb bowl thing-a-mabobers didn't have any gas in them. it just took a little bit of turning over to get it going. No probs since."

Any ideas?
 

Likely2BAirborn

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Did you check your plugs yet? I don't think it is the battery. It should start after 30 seconds. Any battery will die after you use it long enough with not motor running (generator/stator). After all its runing the starter motor, headlights, computer, insterment cluster...etc. Sounds to me your problem has to do with the motor not the electircal system. Unless your plugs arent fireing. Put it in 6th and push it backwards for 15 miles uphill. Then try again :twofinger
 

Max Smiley

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the battery is shot. it can't deliver under load (the cliicccckkkk sound). it ran fine when it could but now it's toasted. chuck it. trade with a friend's bike that will tell you for sure.
 

Deeter

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AkrapovicNinja said:
Damn, here's what happened this morning. I turned on the bike, and remember how I said it sometimes makes a clicking noise, it happened again. Only this time, I listened longer and more carefully, and it sounds nothing like a click, more like fluid being sucked. Sounds like some sort of fuel problem

JeffreyLebowski from SBN said "I had that same problem after getting my bike back from the shop. they replaced the tank so I think the carb bowl thing-a-mabobers didn't have any gas in them. it just took a little bit of turning over to get it going. No probs since."

Any ideas?

Ohhhh, I know, I know. (not really, just a suspicion) Does your bike have a fuel pump, are are your carbs gravity fed? It sounds like you have a fuel pump that is trying to feed gas into your float bowls, but for whatever reason, it's not doing the job. You may want to have a look at your fuel filter. It could be that a batch of questionable gas might have introduced particulates into your fuel flow, which in turn clogged up your filter, which in turn is preventing your fuel pump from providing enough go-juice to your float bowls, which in turn would make it difficult to start. **gaaasp** :eek **pant, pant**

You might want to check that before you mess with the plugs. (IOTW - it's easier than the plugs and might actually be the more likely culprit)

How old is this bike, BTW? Did you buy it new? Used? Is there a chance that the interior of the tank might be rusted? Has it sat, unused, for any particular amount of time?
 

AkrapovicNinja

My old Ninja and Joey
How old is this bike, BTW? Did you buy it new? Used? Is there a chance that the interior of the tank might be rusted? Has it sat, unused, for any particular amount of time?

It's brand new, with about 1100 miles on it. I don't think the tank is rusted though. And I rode it everyday. Oh yeah, and I do have a fuel pump, its not that gravity fed thing you were saying.
 
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Deeter

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AkrapovicNinja said:


It's brand new, with about 1100 miles on it. I don't think the tank is rusted though. And I rode it everyday. Oh yeah, and I do have a fuel pump, its not that gravity fed thing you were saying.

I'd still have a look at the fuel filter . . . could have just been bad gas from somewhere that clogged it up. But if the bike is brand new, then I wouldn't mess with it too much since it's most likely under warranty still.
 

Likely2BAirborn

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Max Smiley said:
the battery is shot. it can't deliver under load (the cliicccckkkk sound). it ran fine when it could but now it's toasted. chuck it. trade with a friend's bike that will tell you for sure.
IS NOT IS NOT :p If you hold your starter button down for 30 seconds at a time for like 3 times your battery will die. If you let it sit it will regain a little juice. When you run the bike the Stator recharges the battery. Sucka! Sorry to bastardise your post.
 
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