Oscar Pistorius

rsrider

47% parasite 53% ahole
I read that last week. The amazing thing is, because he has no legs all his running strength has to come from his core. It's unreal.
 

Brown81

Well-known member
Yeah. I read this and it had me pondering about what can of life he'd have had if he had been born with booth femurs?

Interesting to speculate.

Regardless, he's an impressive man.
 

Brown81

Well-known member
What is everyones take on whether he should be allowed to compete in the 400 against dudes with legs?
 

MtnRacer

Veterinarian
I don't think he should be allowed to compete. Amazing story, but how do you handiap (pun unintended) mechanical advantage achieved through the apparati? Too complicated and better left alone.

Steve
 

Brown81

Well-known member
I don't think he should be allowed to compete. Amazing story, but how do you handiap (pun unintended) mechanical advantage achieved through the apparati? Too complicated and better left alone.

Steve

What if he were to lop off an arm?
 

Gixxergirl1000

AFM #731
I don't think he should be allowed to compete. Amazing story, but how do you handiap (pun unintended) mechanical advantage achieved through the apparati? Too complicated and better left alone.

Steve

What makes you think the Cheetahs are giving him an advantage? Are his times significantly faster than runners who have legs? He has to compensate for balance issues, as well as running from his core, instead of his legs... seems like those would fall into the "handicap" category... :dunno
 

MtnRacer

Veterinarian
What makes you think the Cheetahs are giving him an advantage? Are his times significantly faster than runners who have legs? He has to compensate for balance issues, as well as running from his core, instead of his legs... seems like those would fall into the "handicap" category... :dunno
I don't. But what if they did? Or they could? How do you quantify that? What if the same technology could be packaged into a running shoe, do you allow it? It starts to make things messy out of a relatively simple sport. Atheletics are supposed to be about human performance, not technology. That's why they ban things like those swimsuits everybody was wearing and records were being destroyed right and left.

Steve
 

Gixxergirl1000

AFM #731
I don't. But what if they did? Or they could? How do you quantify that? What if the same technology could be packaged into a running shoe, do you allow it? It starts to make things messy out of a relatively simple sport. Atheletics are supposed to be about human performance, not technology. That's why they ban things like those swimsuits everybody was wearing and records were being destroyed right and left.

Steve

Well, lap times would be a good place to start as far as indicators... I mean, if he's running 20 seconds faster than anyone else, that would tend to indicate some sort of advantage... as far as technology and shoes are concerned, they already pack a whole bunch of technology into the shoes... I mean, how many runners do you see running in Chucks? Or, for that matter, how many people are actually competing the way the first Olympians did- nude? They ran without shorts OR shoes. And the athletes of the 20's certainly weren't training the way the athletes of today do...
Personally, I don't think someone who's as athletic as this young man, who's worked so hard to get to a level that he could compete against non-disabled people should be denied the opportunity... just my :2cents
 

iamrob

I LIKE MOTORCYCLES LOL
What is everyones take on whether he should be allowed to compete in the 400 against dudes with legs?

as much as i feel like an asshole for saying this, no i dont think he should be allowed to compete because he has a modified body.
 

daventura

wants you to stop smoking
Runners should have to compete barefoot, then there would be absolutely no different shoe advantage.

Oscar would not be able to race because he has no feet.

:teeth
 

ScorpioVI

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:laughing

More recently, while riding his dirt bike through tall grass, he clipped a fence and turned around to see one of his prosthetic legs swinging from a section of barbed wire, an unwelcome sight, for sure, but less dire than if it had been a biological leg. It was one of the only times that it occurred to him that having prosthetic lower limbs may confer some advantage.


Imagine riding behind a stranger like that, he wrecks and you see legs and shit hanging off from the fence. :wow
 

sicks

Yo yo yo
Well, lap times would be a good place to start as far as indicators... I mean, if he's running 20 seconds faster than anyone else, that would tend to indicate some sort of advantage... as far as technology and shoes are concerned, they already pack a whole bunch of technology into the shoes... I mean, how many runners do you see running in Chucks? Or, for that matter, how many people are actually competing the way the first Olympians did- nude? They ran without shorts OR shoes. And the athletes of the 20's certainly weren't training the way the athletes of today do...
Personally, I don't think someone who's as athletic as this young man, who's worked so hard to get to a level that he could compete against non-disabled people should be denied the opportunity... just my :2cents

While lap times may be a start - how to account for those sandbaggin enough to win? I'm not sayin the dude is not an exceptional athlete, but if there is a significant change to the design of the competitor (especially a man made addition) that is of great effect to the outcome, then that competitor should not be allowed to participate. In this case, the competition is running, and one cannot run without legs - different shoes provide grip/comfort, but each regular runner could complete the task without those shoes - also, I'm guessing there's a standard in the shoes (like no springs allowed to gain mechanical advancement, similar to the NBA).

Conversely, people who would be heavier, if they had all limbs, should definitely be able to compete in their actual weight class, if they are not using a prosthetic - I am using some pro fights and wrestling as my example here. I've seen a guy who was missing one leg but kickboxed and was considerably stronger than his opponent, because of his 'relative weight.'

Maybe it parallels legs to the engine or wheels on any racing series - There are standards there.. and if one ventures outside of those standards, then they have to compete elsewhere.]

Ramble ramble ramble :)
 

Entoptic

Red Power!
What is everyones take on whether he should be allowed to compete in the 400 against dudes with legs?

Nope. He has an advantage even though I would like to see him complete. As a stilter, I own a pair of those leggings but for people with legs and it is a HUGE advantage. I can run like the dickens and have a 9 - 12 foot step when running full speed. It is also super easy to jump over a fence.

Good for him though!
 
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Cycle61

What the shit is this...
As much as it pains me, I've gotta agree that he shouldn't compete. I can definitely see both sides of the argument, but if this is allowed, it opens the door for all sorts of body modifications that could be used to confer an advantage.
 

Brown81

Well-known member
Nope. He has an advantage even though I would like to see him complete. As a stilter, I own a pair of those leggings but for people with legs and it is a HUGE advantage. I can run like the dickens, jump over fences and it's not fair.

Good for him though!

Could you strap those on an run against Olympic 400 runners even with your legs?

These are going to be dudes running 20mph+ for 400 meters.

Given that question, could you then do it if we lop your legs off at the hip (no femurs)???
 
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