No license... an invitation to a :rose.
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Cafe Racer
King of this hill
Cafe Racer
King of this hill
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Be proud to be 50 and rocking the Moto life.ort
Almost there! 24 days left. Does this mean I get free coffee at McDonalds?
dtrides
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JakesKTM
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Nothing and nobody prepared me for riding except necessity. I had $600 saved up and bought a friend of a friends bike 30 years ago. No license and no gear. I had a helmet that was too old and too big to be worth a damn and sonic rode without it most the time.
I joined the navy at 17 and took my bike with me to where I was stationed- I was made to do a safety course and that was it. No specialized license required to get my bike on base.
I didn't really get much out of that safety course and I never bothered to get my proper M-1 for the next 25 years over which time I bought rode insured and sold no less than 12 bikes. A license is nothing more than a piece of plastic withe your picture on it. Your ability to ride within your limit is innate and based on ego and intelligence.
Msf courses have come a long way but it wasn't until I went to the track that. My skills became honed.
Plenty of licensed riders and drivers die. I don't agree a license is an invitation to a rose.
I joined the navy at 17 and took my bike with me to where I was stationed- I was made to do a safety course and that was it. No specialized license required to get my bike on base.
I didn't really get much out of that safety course and I never bothered to get my proper M-1 for the next 25 years over which time I bought rode insured and sold no less than 12 bikes. A license is nothing more than a piece of plastic withe your picture on it. Your ability to ride within your limit is innate and based on ego and intelligence.
Msf courses have come a long way but it wasn't until I went to the track that. My skills became honed.
Plenty of licensed riders and drivers die. I don't agree a license is an invitation to a rose.
ALANRIDER7
MeowMeowMeow
Being licensed and being properly trained are two very different things. Riding around cones in a parking lot has ZERO to do with surviving on the roads out there.
youtu.be/ZBgrVI0Dyto
My inference was statistically based.
So look at the numbers and you will see a big difference.
Part of that is being responsible and making good decisions.
I would say a license is a little bit more than a piece of plastic.
Try handing a piece of plastic to an officer without that picture and seal from the State saying your allowed on the roadways.
I totally agree it has little to do with training or honing skills. However you cannot ignore the stats. Your a good one.. you did it. Cool.
Remember back when correlation and causation were the same thing?... oh yeah, me neither...
Underdog
Prehistoric
License & Registration is the state's way of coaxing some money from you, on a yearly basis =)
That said, I bet there is some relationship between ones moral code and rule abiding to how they control their motorcycle
Joebar4000
Well-known member
Why do you gotta say 50?
Miguel
Cos I'm getting close myself? Shit!
Ackshully, I think the final tier in the UK at least, is 24.
Ah, found it:
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The AM category is a moped-only licence, which you can hold from the age of 16.
An A1 licence is open to 17-year-olds upwards and restricts riders to 125cc, without L-plates.
The A2 licence restricts you to motorcycles of up to 35kW (47bhp), and you must take your test on a bike of more than 20kW (27bhp). This is open to 19-year-olds and older.
The A licence is a full motorcycle licence, available only for those aged 24 and over."
this arugment has been used and abused to death.
both sides of the fence use it to prove there way of thinking.
and this is in more than just sport bikes ver ?
any machine / tool / gaget / etc. in the hands of a HUMAN can be used for good or bad. it is NOT the item or parts bolted to it. it is up to the only part (not part of said item) involved that has a brain sitting between two ears.
everything else is just fluff.
i do not know how to drive a tank (can learn), if i were to try..lets just say i will try and stay out of the bmw auto sales lot ;-)
any item can be used for good with the correct training.
AND willingness on the part of the opperator.
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both sides of the fence use it to prove there way of thinking.
and this is in more than just sport bikes ver ?
any machine / tool / gaget / etc. in the hands of a HUMAN can be used for good or bad. it is NOT the item or parts bolted to it. it is up to the only part (not part of said item) involved that has a brain sitting between two ears.
everything else is just fluff.
i do not know how to drive a tank (can learn), if i were to try..lets just say i will try and stay out of the bmw auto sales lot ;-)
any item can be used for good with the correct training.
AND willingness on the part of the opperator.
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Afterburner
double finger, throttle!!
yes! i think we should have tiered license for ALL drivers 16-21 yo. 4 cyl. 21-36 yo. 6 cyl.(only) and 37-65 yo. V8's (optional) and 65 yo.+ for V12 twin turbo (mandatory!!)
i think we got this solved.. it's gunna be a safer world!!!!
"hey, grandma!! :afm199 how about a ride... sexy!!"
i think we got this solved.. it's gunna be a safer world!!!!
"hey, grandma!! :afm199 how about a ride... sexy!!"
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Afterburner
double finger, throttle!!
even any 6 year old knows that a 33 yo. just cant handle the power of a V8 without proper training from the US govt. without certified proper valid credentials plus monthly continuing education and enclosed track/safety lab time. it's just common sense! it's just too much power. everyone knows you need 49 years of experience with 4 cyl./6 cyl. and 8 cyls. before you should even touch a V12 turbo..
I got my first street bike when I was 18. Refuse to get a license until i'm 21. Ive ridden motorcycles competitively since the age of 5 and was not going to pay over $200 and 20 hours of my life in a classroom learning principles i had known for most of my life. Soon as i turn 21 i'll go to the DMV and get my license no problem. I could see how some might say that "younger riders are more dangerous and therefor are required to take safety courses". But if i am able to go overseas to serve the military and potentially end my life, I have to be 21 in order to go and get my M1? Not in my book.
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latindane
Learner. EuroPW, NaPS
Being more dangerous is PRECISELY WHY they're more than happy to ship you overseas to have you fight for their interests while they stay at home. But this is not the politics thread, so I won't say more, just pointing out that there is another way to look at what you argue.
PS: I'm not American by birth, citizenship, or residence, but I am 100% sure that you went to fight with a higher purpose than what I think those who sent you had (depending on where to), and I sure as hell can respect your decision to do it and you as a person for doing it. So please don't take the above as a "jab".
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brownwa
rides bikes and likes it
This. The "willingness" to learn is the problem. Buying a motorcycle should be like buying a firearm: do the course, get the license, buy the gun. A 27 y.o. dumbass will kill himself on a 125cc dirtbike if he's overtaking on a blind corner. Same thing with dumping a wheelie at 50mph and colliding with a car/post/cat.
IMHO, make the MSF course mandatory but make it cheaper. For those who've ridden since birth, look at it this way: you will have chicks/hunks all over you at the MSF course after your first foot-down-rear-wheel-slide around the figure 8 cone. I distinctly remember some hot girls in my MSF class.
not at the mexican car dealers in the central valley,
they have signs in large letters stateing no dl or insurance required to buy from them. you pay 100% down.
they do not care who is buying the car/pu truck/suv/mini van/etc.:wow
if there is a law saying proof is required, they do not care about it.
.and stuf it about raceissem. these are overnight auto dealers who proudly proclam they are mexican.
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flying_hun
Adverse Selection
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