need some help turning right...

[AkatomboRR]

I think I need help turning right.. specifically in twisties at the speeds of 15-20mph.. in turns that I don't know. I don't know why I don't have problems making slow left handed turns but when it comes to right handed turns, I tend to be more unsure and stuff... this is only happening to me in twisties where I can't see through the turn.. I like to look ahead.. but I can't because they're blind turns... halp?? :|

 

[iehawk]

Coming down 84 toward 280 is a good example for me way back. I started going in on 1st gear and late apex it. Go closer to the left/center line, look right and turn. Light on the bar/lean back, knees on the bike, lean the bike like the MSF figure-8 training. I would crack the throttle open, not fully closed, and feather the clutch if the abrupt feel bothers you.

I'd practice in an empty parking lot, turn right while hugging the curb.

Probably much easier and makes more sense if someone can just help you practice.

 

[CABilly]

Right turns are more scary because the unknown factor that comes with what's on the other side of the DY. At least if you blow a lefty (ask Ant..) you can usually count on whatever is on the shoulder to be stationary.

 

[KnifeySpoony]

It's simple. You can't see as far around right turns. So just go slower if you want to not outride your sightlines. Or go fast and take a chance.

 

[drabot]

Blind lefts you have the benefit of the outer lane: larger turn radius and better sight line at turn in. Blind rights on unfamiliar roads you want a little more margin in case there is oncoming traffic that enters your lane. On a blind left, you look and turn left and oncoming would be on the left. You are more likely to run wide to the shoulder if really spooked. On a blind right, you look and turn right but oncoming would appear left/forward. Any target fixation can put you in the oncoming lane.
So maybe trust your instincts and taking the blind rights slower than the lefts is ok.

 

[Gary856]

I'm not advocating outriding the sight distance so this is just describing the mechanics of going around a tight blind right turn quickly.

- There are visual cues when a very tight turn is coming up - use the vanishing point principle.

- visualize the turn being as tight as it possibly can be - essentially imagine you're about to do the tightest circle possible.

- shift the body weight, dip the inside shoulder, elbow and knee. Keep the elbow bent and very loose. Slow in but commit to the turn.

- turn the head/eyes/body all the way around (almost like you're trying to look at your own tail) and keep them turned HARD to stay with the turn.

- hug the fog line.

 

[AkatomboRR]

I think one of the issue I have is choppy throttle coming out of those 20 mph turns..
I have the habit of keeping my right wrist relatively low so I don't know if my right hand/arm is in the proper position when I'm leaning in right handers..

 

[Cincinnatus]

Then you know what to fix, no? :teeth

 

[stoppie]

There are many super tight uphill right hand turns in this area,Not so many downhill tight rights for some reason, go to first gear before the turn and prepare, some are so tight that you may have to feather the clutch, commit to the corner and I have found that a little back brake while on constant throttle works to get the speed I desire. Always look far ahead as stated previously as to where you want to go, then when you are just about through it wack it wide open and wheelie to the next corner.

 

[Clem Kevin]

Stop watching so much NASCAR

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

Tony, get a new battery for your bike, and then, if you want, we can go out Redwood, or maybe Mines, and work on your corners, and maybe I can help you out, ok?

 

[Banjoboy]

When go'in 'round a tight right, look along the right side of the road/shoulder.
Also practice push'in the bike down. (As opposed ta hang'in off.) Go to the leo section, look at their avatars. See how they'z push'in the bike down? That's wut you wanta learn. :thumbup

Tony, get a new battery for your bike, and then, if you want, we can go out Redwood, or maybe Mines, and work on your corners, and maybe I can help you out, ok?

Take Connie up on her offer. :leghump :kiss

 

[Stormdragon]

in turns that I don't know.

this is only happening to me in twisties where I can't see through the turn..

I like to look ahead.. but I can't because they're blind turns... halp?? :|

Unfamiliar road, and no sightline? Sounds like you're being sensible to me. :thumbup

If you really want to, you can stay to the outside of the turn as long as possible to see as far through it as you can. But of course, if you see a line of sand or a rock in your now heavily committed path, you're gonna have to be really good to pull it off.

Personally, I'm a wuss. I stick to the right, and just slow down. :laughing

 

[Brown81]

I think one of the issue I have is choppy throttle coming out of those 20 mph turns..
I have the habit of keeping my right wrist relatively low so I don't know if my right hand/arm is in the proper position when I'm leaning in right handers..

This comes up a lot. My opinion:

It is do to throttle hand position. Try gripping the throttle like a screw driver instead of like a hammer on right turns. So that your elbow can point out into the turn rather then having your throttle hand cocked.

This will allow much more freedom of movement for your body.

Dirt riders will be more familiar with this technique. Try it and get back to us.:thumbup

 

[Rob]

You know the problem... poor throttle control leading to lack of confidence in right handers.

Get your weight off the bars... fully off the bars. If you can't flap your arms like a chicken during a turn, you've got too much tension and weight in your arms. Use more torso/legs. Your arms are for the controls... not holding your body in position.

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

You know the problem... poor throttle control leading to lack of confidence in right handers.

Get your weight off the bars... fully off the bars. If you can't flap your arms like a chicken during a turn, you've got too much tension and weight in your arms. Use more torso/legs. Your arms are for the controls... not holding your body in position.

Very good advice!

 

[louemc]

I think I need help turning right.. specifically in twisties at the speeds of 15-20mph.. in turns that I don't know. I don't know why I don't have problems making slow left handed turns but when it comes to right handed turns, I tend to be more unsure and stuff... this is only happening to me in twisties where I can't see through the turn.. I like to look ahead.. but I can't because they're blind turns... halp?? :|

There are gobs of sources for real help...Dirt riding when it was done on mountain trails (not groomed and regulated off road parks) and on pavement, Alameda Sheriff's Cone Drill.

Ya have a disadvantage on a 600, that engine wasn't made for low end, city or public road conditions. And your in a wrong stance on the bike with clip-on handle bars. (Your not racing so why crouch?)

A 650 twin with up right seating stance, would ease this task immensely.

Then you would just be left with sight line, and toss the bike (really all mental) things that are very easy, unless Ya insist on making them hard.

 

[AkatomboRR]

There are gobs of sources for real help...Dirt riding when it was done on mountain trails (not groomed and regulated off road parks) and on pavement, Alameda Sheriff's Cone Drill.

Ya have a disadvantage on a 600, that engine wasn't made for low end, city or public road conditions. And your in a wrong stance on the bike with clip-on handle bars. (Your not racing so why crouch?)

A 650 twin with up right seating stance, would ease this task immensely.

Then you would just be left with sight line, and toss the bike (really all mental) things that are very easy, unless Ya insist on making them hard.

I'll probably try dirt one of these days. My co worker has a couple of them I just never got a chance to ride them yet.

I have a monster 800 and I don't have issues in the twisties... maybe I should raise the bars on the R6... :|

 

[louemc]

I'll probably try dirt one of these days. My co worker has a couple of them I just never got a chance to ride them yet.

I have a monster 800 and I don't have issues in the twisties... maybe I should raise the bars on the R6... :|

Raising the bars (Spiegler LSL kit makes it easy peasy) would sure be an advantage, (still not a longer stroke twin, but, at least your sitting right, for the situation).

It has the possibility to come out awesomely awesome. Giving low speed finesse, with the 600 high end as well.

Just in case you never saw it...and could use some extra prodding...
The Sept 08 Sport Rider mag did a feature called Ultimate sport bike, build your own. They did the handle bar conversion to their R1 took it to their test canyon, and were Amazed (just let that sit in, what does it take to Amaze those guys) They were amazed at the increase in performance, and sharper, more confident handling. :thumbup :ride

 

[Tharkûn]

Your R6 isn't designed for 20-30 mph corners. Any amount of tensing on the bars is going to make things very difficult