My personal response to the $15 an hour min wage

Cali

Well-known member
For those who feel entitled to $15 an hour, here is some real world math I did myself. Yes, me.

Minimum wage jobs are a stepping stone, not a career. If you want more pay, prove you are worth it and move up in position or change jobs. If you've messed up in your personal life and dropped out of school, got in trouble with the law and have a criminal record, just don't want to put in the effort to do well and get a good recommendation from a previous job, that's probably your fault. Yes, there are circumstances that may contribute, but you can probably look in the mirror as to why you're not doing better financially.

If you want more money, show you're worth it. Invest in yourself and further your education. Take positions other people don't want in order to show you're willing to work hard no matter what and performance is more important than position. Say it with me: performance is more important than position. Your boss will see this. If they don't, move on.

Now to the real world math. You think you, possibly a high school dropout with a criminal record, are entitled to $15 an hour to flip burgers. Why?

Lets take a private in the Army. Their base pay is $1547 a month. As an officer I get about $250 a month as a food allowance. Enlisted get meal cards, so they get three meals a day for free. Lets add that $250 on to their $1547. Then they also get free living conditions. These aren't that good. Really. It's basically a studio or one bedroom and they kind of suck. Often they're in less than desirable places (think Ft Polk), but they don't have much say in where they live. I'd estimate they're worth (utilities included) $500 a month, and that's probably over estimating them by quite a bit. Housing, food, base pay that private gets $2297 a month.

Most of the enlisted I work with probably work 11 hour days on average. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but it is rarely ever a 9-5 job. That $2297 a month working 55 hours a week comes out to $10.44 an hour. And you think you deserve $15 to flip burgers? These enlisted soldiers are the ones who maintain, fix and keep my helicopter working and flying and keep us safe while doing it. You flip burgers. They are subject to UCMJ action if they get in trouble off post, after hours, or during the weekend and can have pay taken away. They get late night inspections of their living areas. They deal with a bunch of crap you never have to. And they do it for $10.44 an hour. Difference between you and them, they're not whining about wanting more money for doing nothing. They work to advance their knowledge, skill set, experience which in turn gets them promoted, which gets them more money, more responsibility, which has a snowball effect which can land them a high paying helicopter maintenance position in the civilian world. How did they get it? They earned it.

If you want more, go out and earn it.
 

Lucky Jones

Ride on #69
I've never been in the military, but, I know out here in civilian life I need to PAY for advancing my skill sets/new training, whatever.

Do soldiers, etc, have to pay for theirs?

If not, you neglected to figure that into your breakdown.
 

Lunch Box

Useful idiot
I think that the OP is under the same misconception I was when I first thought about this issue. The problem with his approach is that he doesn't understand (as I didn't) that the people working those minimum wage jobs are no longer just teens/college students. A surprisingly high percentage of minimum wage earners are in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s. I don't have the stats in front of me, but they were very surprising.
 

billswim

Well-known member
Isn't there some sort of GI bill in there as well? Further, higher education so when our young people who bravely served our country, they get some part it paid for still?

How much is that worth?
 

asdfghwy

Well-known member
My idea on minimum wage is that someone who works full time should be able to provide the necessities of life such as shelter, food, clothing, and some method of transportation. It's funny to hear the older generation (generally, idk about you OP) talk about not deserving a living wage because of the occupation they do. The same people who came from an era where working part time over summer you could save enough money for rent + a year of schooling. (My uncle did this at USF in the 60s). The era where with just a simple high school diploma you could find work and buy a home and support a family.

Maybe I'm biased, as I'm a college student in my early 20s. I know a few people who work 2-3 jobs and 70+hrs just to barely get by in San Jose and the bay area. $15/hr is not some magical number. All I'm saying is that nobody should work a full time job or more and still not have money to put food on the table, or have a roof over their head.

This is America. Everyone deserves a living wage for full time work.
 
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Cali

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There are other jobs that offer medical. There are other jobs that offer otj training. If you want those, get those jobs. And a lot of soldiers did pay for education and training prior to enlisting as well, just like civilians. True I didn't factor in the GI Bill. In order to get those things my enlisted guys have to go through a ton of BS along the way. If you haven't served you wouldn't know and that's okay.

Point is if people want better they do have options. They can do jobs others don't want to show they're good workers. They can use stepping stone jobs to get where they want to go.

What is the stat on age and min wage jobs? One I recall showed it is very low. But what does age have to do with compensation? You don't get paid based on age, but on performance, skill, responsibility, education, position... btw, there are late in life soldiers making little money too, it isn't just teenagers.
 

shouldnthave

Taze away, Yana...
Minimum wage jobs are a stepping stone, not a career. If you want more pay, prove you are worth it and move up in position or change jobs. If you've messed up in your personal life and dropped out of school, got in trouble with the law and have a criminal record, just don't want to put in the effort to do well and get a good recommendation from a previous job, that's probably your fault. Yes, there are circumstances that may contribute, but you can probably look in the mirror as to why you're not doing better financially.

I stopped reading after this. You clearly have no idea how life works. Shit happens, and bubbles pop. I condem you to a life of minimum wage for being so daft. A curse on you, and your whole family
 

Cali

Well-known member
Curious about one thing for those who think no experience or skillset, no responsibility jobs should get $15 an hour. If you make that much to flip burgers or sit at a desk to say hi or something that simply requires a warm body, what is the incentive to work hard at a job that requires it? Some police positions start at $15 an hour. That's a tough job! That puts your safety in jeopardy, requires a lot more from you. Why should a burger flipper make the same as a cop when both starting the same day?
 

JesasaurusRex

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Military is severely underpaid for actual hours worked, imo. Not sure why your argument is, 'these folks make this much per hour so you shouldn't' instead of 'both of these people are underpaid.'

You a small business owner as well or? What's your angle?
 

shouldnthave

Taze away, Yana...
Curious about one thing for those who think no experience or skillset, no responsibility jobs should get $15 an hour. If you make that much to flip burgers or sit at a desk to say hi or something that simply requires a warm body, what is the incentive to work hard at a job that requires it? Some police positions start at $15 an hour. That's a tough job! That puts your safety in jeopardy, requires a lot more from you. Why should a burger flipper make the same as a cop when both starting the same day?

A curse on you and your whole family.

Let's see your tune when you have all the smugg, and none of the money.
 

Cali

Well-known member
I stopped reading after this. You clearly have no idea how life works. Shit happens, and bubbles pop. I condem you to a life of minimum wage for being so daft. A curse on you, and your whole family

:laughing yeah okay. I've worked min wage jobs. I've started low and worked my way up. I've gone through college, including grad school and have the student loans to prove it. I've done my share of jobs I didn't like and lost jobs and had to move in with family again. But I still wouldn't know anything about any of that, would I? :laughing
 

asdfghwy

Well-known member
There are other jobs that offer medical. There are other jobs that offer otj training. If you want those, get those jobs. And a lot of soldiers did pay for education and training prior to enlisting as well, just like civilians. True I didn't factor in the GI Bill. In order to get those things my enlisted guys have to go through a ton of BS along the way. If you haven't served you wouldn't know and that's okay.

Point is if people want better they do have options. They can do jobs others don't want to show they're good workers. They can use stepping stone jobs to get where they want to go.

What is the stat on age and min wage jobs? One I recall showed it is very low. But what does age have to do with compensation? You don't get paid based on age, but on performance, skill, responsibility, education, position... btw, there are late in life soldiers making little money too, it isn't just teenagers.

Minimum-wage workers are older than they used to be. Their average age is 35, and 88 percent are at least 20 years old. Half are older than 30, and about a third are at least 40.

Again, someone who works 40-50+ hours a week should get a living wage even if you yourself don't think the job is worth it. Not really for you decide what occupations get paid a living wage and don't
 

shouldnthave

Taze away, Yana...
:laughing yeah okay. I've worked min wage jobs. I've started low and worked my way up. I've gone through college, including grad school and have the student loans to prove it. I've done my share of jobs I didn't like and lost jobs and had to move in with family again. But I still wouldn't know anything about any of that, would I? :laughing

Nope, you wouldn't. Do it with three+ kids, dead wife, and a mortgage.
 

UDRider

FLCL?
The 750 a month for food and shelter sounds low for bay area, but I don't want to get in to another argument like I did with Junkie about surviving on chicken and beans. So lets just agree to disagree on that one.

Another guy who is in a military also mentioned tax breaks, something about only base being taxed?

As others mentioned medical. That is not cheap either. Even with subsidies or whatever.

Sure some made questionable choices in life, but to say "just go and get a better job" is to over simplify things I think.

Not to mention that minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation.
 
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Cali

Well-known member
For those who are willing to work hard or are working three jobs and kicking ass I applaud you and can't wait for it to pay off and you find something great.

For those who are lazy and unwilling to work hard and expect a handsome wage for doing next to nothing and wanting more without earning it, you don't deserve more. They people in the above paragraph do.

That's my only angle
 
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