MotoGrandPrix- Valencia 2020

[budman]

I wonder if Gerloff with ride Friday and then see about Rossi.

That would make sense for Yamaha, but not much is making sense in 2020.

Excited to have racing this weekend. One of the few things that gives me some normal!

 

[Map8]

they should just sit him out for safety's sake and let someone else at least test and setup the bike proper for a race weekend. If Rossi shows up Saturday expecting to have a great setup for Sunday I'm betting he wont make top ten, which wouldn't be a good look for the Doctor or Yamaha, but if Gerloff doesn't make top ten it's expected, if he does it looks great for both.

Yamaha just got penalized for using naughty unapproved valves.

Rain is forecast for Friday and Saturday with Sunday expected to be dry so set up info from the practice sessions may not matter at all.

 

[NSR500]

Can 2020 be more ridiculous?!

Now Yamaha guilty of modifying their motors.

 

[scootergmc]

Can't say it's surprising. When you go through four out of five engines and all of a sudden start finishing races and going fast, something has to be up. It is somewhat surprising the riders aren't penalized as well, but that would turn the championship into more of a cluster than it already is.

 

[NSR500]

I get the decision though.

To be totally fair in punishment they'd have to prove the riders were included in the cheat.
If they can prove that the riders knew the valves were changed then they could be penalized. However, if the situation is more like Management and Engineers telling the riders; "Don't worry about revving it, everything will be fine" then I don't see how a rider can be punished.

 

[R3DS!X]

I think it's hard to say the riders had no idea, the bikes went from going pop to going brap. They knew it wasn't magic. I'm surprised yamaha only got penalized 4 point, sounds like something honda would have been able to get away with.

 

[Map8]

I think it's hard to say the riders had no idea, the bikes went from going pop to going brap. They knew it wasn't magic. I'm surprised yamaha only got penalized 4 point, sounds like something honda would have been able to get away with.

The penalty in the constructor's championship and team championship standings was more than four points.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/11/05/yamaha-handed-penalties-no-effect-on-rider-points/354054

For this reason, Yamaha Motor Company have had 50 World Championship Constructor points withdrawn. This is double the points earned whilst not respecting the protocol required for technical changes.

Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP have had 20 World Championship Team points withdrawn. This is the points earned whilst not respecting the protocol.

Petronas Yamaha SRT have had 37 World Championship Team points withdrawn. This is also the points earned whilst not respecting the protocol.

 

[R3DS!X]

You're right. I don't know where I got 4 from. Been busy at work today I must have half read something while on the toilet.

 

[firstbuell]

If Gerloff finishes ahead of Vinales I think Yamaha will boot Mav out onto the role of test rider.

Also Iker Lecuono is out due to his Bro testing positive. So that sucks. Maybe they can get Toprak out on there as a backup

I nominate superb KTM all-rounder Ryan Sipes,
a winner in all disciplines!

 

[R3DS!X]

After more thorough reading on the subject:

"Of course, he won’t be replaced for this event, therefore the whole Red Bull KTM Tech3 team will concentrate on our sole rider, Miguel Oliveira.”

Would have been cool to see Dani or someone else on the bike. Might be interesting to see what Miguel can do with the whole team focus on him. It's his first time here on a GP bike though, so ...

 

[budman]

I nominate superb KTM all-rounder Ryan Sipes,
a winner in all disciplines!

What did he win on a road racer?? Flat track, dirt etc.. but pavement never heard of him doing that. Big fan of his skill.

 

[scootergmc]

I get the decision though.

To be totally fair in punishment they'd have to prove the riders were included in the cheat.
If they can prove that the riders knew the valves were changed then they could be penalized. However, if the situation is more like Management and Engineers telling the riders; "Don't worry about revving it, everything will be fine" then I don't see how a rider can be punished.

They can punish the riders just the same, but fairness to the team riders has nothing to do with it. The fairness comes into play with other teams. I'm sure Suzuki and Ducati have an opinion about it... Regardless, Yamaha chose to bypass the MSMA regarding the sealed parts exception to the homologation... that's provided for in the regs here:

b)Exceptions can be made for sealed parts that are solely associatedwith safety issues and which have no performance benefit, which
may be changed during the approval period with the unanimous
consent of the MSMA MotoGP Commission. Such exceptions will
be on a strictly limited basis to correct a proven problem which
may have safety implications (eg. a faulty batch of parts, with
supporting documentation from the parts supplier to identify
the problem). Engines already sealed, including used engines
can be updated in this way with the unanimous consent of the
MSMA MotoGP Commission and under supervision of the MotoGP
Technical Director or his staff. If a competitor intends to modify
the approved engine in this way he must provide precise details
of the planned changes to the MSMA MotoGP Commission. In each
case, only the approved changes may be made.

If what Yamaha was saying is true, with faulty valves or whatever, the exception is clearly spelled out.


As the press release clearly says they bypassed the MSMA commission process (https://mcusercontent.com/828d05dc5...amaha_Motor_Company_Protocol_Infringement.pdf), perhaps what the stewards are saying is, "Had you followed the process we would've OK'd the change," therefore, they won't punish the riders.

It appears they simply failed (probably intentionally) to comply with the process and are being punished solely for the breach of protocol. Maybe it was better to ask forgiveness than permission (as who knows how long the exception process takes), sacrificing the constructor's points for a Yamaha rider's championship, especially while MM is sidelined.

 

[Maddevill]

Rossi tweeted today that he took another test and came back positive. Doh !
I'm thinking that Yamaha changing their valves could be looked at as a safety issue. Not good when engines go pop and oil the track.

Mad

 

[scootergmc]

Rossi's negative. Looks like he'll be good to go.


edit: assuming his test tomorrow is - as well.

 

[R3DS!X]

Rossi's negative. Looks like he'll be good to go.

Not so fast(like rossi) he needs another negative to do anything the first negative just lets him travel.

 

[scootergmc]

Not so fast(like rossi) he needs another negative to do anything the first negative just lets him travel.

I did edit that in....:cool

 

[Motorcycle RN]

Moto3 FP1. Looks like the rain in Spain falls mainly on the racetrack.

 

[plaid]

Forza, Tito!

 

[kelsodeez]

Rossi passed his second covid test so it's time for Garrett to Gerl-off the bike and let Rossi ride. Kinda bummed about that.

 

[SFLowrHgt]

Gerloff was cooking before the time attack at the end of FP2 - impressive for the first time on a MGP bike. JR16 at P3 in FP2 is looking good too. Nice couple of hours for team USA.