Mojo! Split from... What is your responsibility to BARF???

[deaconblues]

I'd also say that the 'mojo' system needs a revision or two.

one, we don't seem to have enough. I have some today (now), but it only allows me to flag 5 posts before it's gone, and then I don't see any more for a month. To be truly effective at 'moderating', i think we migt need more than that.

two, it doesn't keep a record of WHY a post was mojo'd. At the very least, if a post is displayed or squashed, perhaps a summary of "3 users found this post inappropriate" or "5 users found this post informative" would be useful in pointing out posts that were the focal point of 'mojo wars' between people, and which ones were simply flagged for being good/bad. I'd also think that, once a post is flagged one way or another, then it should take double the mojo points to 'reverse course'; this would prefent people coming along attempting to resurrect stuff that had been squashed, or bring down posts others thought were good.

three, a user should be able to (periodically) appeal a mojo ruling against THEIR OWN POSTS, perhaps using mojo of their own to flag the post for the moderators to take a look at. This would keep people from protesting every post that got squashed, BUT would also allow some recourse for people who are being 'picked on'.


this is all coming from someone who's one of the biggest post-whores on here... but also someone who TRIES to at least post something useful, most of the time.

 

[Baptistro]

I'd also say that the 'mojo' system needs a revision or two.

one, we don't seem to have enough. I have some today (now), but it only allows me to flag 5 posts before it's gone, and then I don't see any more for a month. To be truly effective at 'moderating', i think we migt need more than that.

two, it doesn't keep a record of WHY a post was mojo'd. At the very least, if a post is displayed or squashed, perhaps a summary of "3 users found this post inappropriate" or "5 users found this post informative" would be useful in pointing out posts that were the focal point of 'mojo wars' between people, and which ones were simply flagged for being good/bad. I'd also think that, once a post is flagged one way or another, then it should take double the mojo points to 'reverse course'; this would prefent people coming along attempting to resurrect stuff that had been squashed, or bring down posts others thought were good.

three, a user should be able to (periodically) appeal a mojo ruling against THEIR OWN POSTS, perhaps using mojo of their own to flag the post for the moderators to take a look at. This would keep people from protesting every post that got squashed, BUT would also allow some recourse for people who are being 'picked on'.


this is all coming from someone who's one of the biggest post-whores on here... but also someone who TRIES to at least post something useful, most of the time.

Excellent suggestions. I will run it by the mods and we shoul dbe able to have a lot of this happen. It may take some time, but I will do my best to push as much of it through as possible.

The only drawback to this, is that giving more mojo to people will most certainly solidify some people's position that the mojo system creates a "gang" mentality and that people will more easily be singled out. That, mainly due to the number of truly active posters and mojoers on the board. Hopefully, it would give the lurkers more incentive to use thier mojo and have themselves be "heard" while still lurking.

Remember, this kind of system only works the way it was meant to work if you all use it. :thumbup

 

[JackTheTripper]

Also it does take double the mojo's the other way to reverse a squash/gold post.

Basically all posts say, start at zero. If it get's mojo'd up it now at 1. Another positive mojo and it's at 2. If the next person doesn't like it it goes back to 1. Etc...

 

[wackyiraqi]

Criminy, I didn't realize there was such controversy surrounding mojo.

I suggested doling out more because I think that, on any given day, additional hands on the ouija shuttle might help spell out a nicer message. You know, keep BARF more even-keeled by soliciting more opinions from the masses.

I like that BARF mods are usually relatively hands-off. While it's disappointing when a good post gets squashed or bad post is gilded, I find them to be relatively few and far between, and by the time a thread reaches that low-point it'd probably be time for a mod to step in anyway.

 

[deaconblues]

Also it does take double the mojo's the other way to reverse a squash/gold post.

Basically all posts say, start at zero. If it get's mojo'd up it now at 1. Another positive mojo and it's at 2. If the next person doesn't like it it goes back to 1. Etc...

my suggestion was to make it take 2 negs to bring it from 2 back to 1 (thus you'd need 4 neg votes to bring it back even). thus more 'work' for a gang of people to either attempt to rescusitate (sp?) a squashed post, or drag down a gilded one. Not sure how it would work in practice. I DO believe that a 'mojo tally' should be available, not to reveal who mojo'ed specifically, but in the aggregate, and also their reasons why.

 

[antipathy]

Deacon, your first suggestion for "more mojo" is a good one & I agree. :thumbup

Your second suggestion of knowing why a post was mojo'd is of limited purpose. You can only pick from a limited number of reasons in the first place. They are broad categories that don't really get the "why" across unless labeled 'funny.' I don't even remember what all the categories are but they don't really speak to the actual reasons a post is mojo'd. How would this function be useful except to aggravate the popularity contests?

Having users see where other peoples' mojo is going will also just exacerbate the gang mentality and could hinder a user's anonimity. Can you envision someone calling out another user for applying mojo as a means of supression?

The third point about squashed post appeals is just taking drama to the extreme. This is a message board, not high court at a witch trial. The beads may be important to some but they are not really that important. Remember, this is the internet and it simply cannot be policed to such an extent. Seems like a waste of moderator resources to me.

No offense, Deac. Your suggestions are in the spirit of being helpful but they seem a little too bureaucratic for my palette.

-Alicia

 

[deaconblues]

Deacon, your first suggestion for "more mojo" is a good one & I agree. :thumbup

Your second suggestion of knowing why a post was mojo'd is of limited purpose. You can only pick from a limited number of reasons in the first place. They are broad categories that don't really get the "why" across unless labeled 'funny.' I don't even remember what all the categories are but they don't really speak to the actual reasons a post is mojo'd. How would this function be useful except to aggravate the popularity contests?

Having users see where other peoples' mojo is going will also just exacerbate the gang mentality and could hinder a user's anonimity. Can you envision someone calling out another user for applying mojo as a means of supression?

The third point about squashed post appeals is just taking drama to the extreme. This is a message board, not high court at a witch trial. The beads may be important to some but they are not really that important. Remember, this is the internet and it simply cannot be policed to such an extent. Seems like a waste of moderator resources to me.

No offense, Deac. Your suggestions are in the spirit of being helpful but they seem a little too bureaucratic for my palette.

-Alicia

Possibly. I'm just brainstorming at this point. I don't mind if people take my suggestions and modify them, either, these are but rough drafts.


Keep in mind that you don't have to reply to mojo a post... so those points MIGHT be from other people who aren't involved in the discussion. With more points available... that sort of thing may become more commonplace. BARF would have to have better policing on 'sock puppets' - duplicate accounts that are used to bolster someone's position or tear down at an opponent.

My suggestion to show the "good vs bad' tally would point out exactly where a war is being fought, X people voted up, Y people voted down... hrmm... what's going on here? Whereas if you see "X voted up" or "Y voted down" ONLY, then perhaps the post is deserving of its fate.

At least that was the idea.

I don't much care for the cliqueishness either, in fact, it's kind of like being drop-kicked into the middle of "All My Children" (apologies to those who actually LIKE that show, I find it rather, uhm, boring). However, I'm not afraid to speak my mind on stuff that bugs me either. And I can't leave well enough alone when things get 'personal'.

That may be a good portion of the problem, right there - we have seen a LOT of threads of late where people were dragging dirty laundry out for everyone to see, and as has been pointed out repeatedly, if you can't settle those matters with PM's and phone calls and such, then perhaps we have potential combatants at the next EBR Fight Party.

 

[JackTheTripper]

my suggestion was to make it take 2 negs to bring it from 2 back to 1 (thus you'd need 4 neg votes to bring it back even). thus more 'work' for a gang of people to either attempt to rescusitate (sp?) a squashed post, or drag down a gilded one. Not sure how it would work in practice. I DO believe that a 'mojo tally' should be available, not to reveal who mojo'ed specifically, but in the aggregate, and also their reasons why.

Gotcha, but I don't think that would work. Why should somebody elses positive opinion outweigh my negative one, or vice versa?

 

[deaconblues]

(sigh)


can we please NOT pollute THIS thread? Thank you.......

 

[Baptistro]

keep the crap off this thread please. That means everyone. :|

Pres, deac, anti, maybe a new thread on the mojo system is called for at this time. Pres, go ahead and split this thread if you need to.

 

[V4]

Ive never used mojos cuz I just post either a :thumbup or :wtf smiley which pretty much reflects most of the threads anyway....

 

[SFMC-X1]

Seeing how this relates to mojo. I noticed a lot of golden post's in the thread mentioned below, and ultimately a few that got squashed. I'm glad that Barf is once again moving to weed out the drama and negativity. To aid in the positive process I submit my post from the original thread that was split "What is your Responsibility to Barf?"

This thread was just brought to my attention, and I feel compelled to participate. I personally take full responsibility for one of the more recent threads that caused a great deal of controversy on Barf... The "Are You A Virtual Biker?" thread.

The original postings were within the stated "Terms Of Service" when the author wrote their personal opinions regarding the actions of many against the one, but crossed the line when that author used poor judgment and resorted to name calling those that were in offense in his eyes.
I feel that an apology is due.

I Eric Schiller apologize for the drama and damage caused by the above stated thread and the ill effect that people now feel towards those that were centrally involved. As a motorcycle enthusiast who's calling is aimed more at the political spectrum, I feel it was awful and unacceptable to vilify a group of fellow motorcyclists, and for that I am truly sorry.

I feel it unnecessary that one should be made to feel out of place for their participation in that thread, and therefore I would hope that the group in a whole will not objectify the continued participation of another member for that reason, regardless of which side you defended. As a motorcycling community I feel that it is very important that we embrace each other for the betterment and future of motorcycling, and that no one should be disallowed to their ability and desire to contribute.

Eric

 

[slowpoke]

That's b.s. about having your mojo points till you use them. Mine are gone after 2 or 3 days and I don't use them:mad

I WANNA WHORE MY MOJO POINTS!!!:cry

 

[Baptistro]

Seeing how this relates to mojo. I noticed a lot of golden post's in the thread mentioned below, and ultimately a few that got squashed. I'm glad that Barf is once again moving to weed out the drama and negativity. To aid in the positive process I submit my post from the original thread that was split "What is your Responsibility to Barf?"

This thread was just brought to my attention, and I feel compelled to participate. I personally take full responsibility for one of the more recent threads that caused a great deal of controversy on Barf... The "Are You A Virtual Biker?" thread.

The original postings were within the stated "Terms Of Service" when the author wrote their personal opinions regarding the actions of many against the one, but crossed the line when that author used poor judgment and resorted to name calling those that were in offense in his eyes.
I feel that an apology is due.

I Eric Schiller apologize for the drama and damage caused by the above stated thread and the ill effect that people now feel towards those that were centrally involved. As a motorcycle enthusiast who's calling is aimed more at the political spectrum, I feel it was awful and unacceptable to vilify a group of fellow motorcyclists, and for that I am truly sorry.

I feel it unnecessary that one should be made to feel out of place for their participation in that thread, and therefore I would hope that the group in a whole will not objectify the continued participation of another member for that reason, regardless of which side you defended. As a motorcycling community I feel that it is very important that we embrace each other for the betterment and future of motorcycling, and that no one should be disallowed to their ability and desire to contribute.

Eric

Thanks Eric, it takes a big person to do what you just did in a place like this. I still don't like what went on, but I have more respect for you as a fellow rider and person.

 

[Eldritch]

I think an explanation of Mojo should be made as a Sticky in the n00b section. Keeping it out of the eyes of the n00bs creates a certain elitist aspect to socialization here I don't approve of.

 

[cardinal03]

i posted this in the other thread by mistake:

how about automating a "time-out" as part of the mojo system. if you post something that gets squashed you automatically cannot post for 12hrs. during that time you can read everything, and you would still be able to pm/email a mod if you thought the post was squashed unfairly. if the mod agrees, the post can be unsquashed and posting privileges restored. i think that would be very helpful in helping people keep cool heads and stay in control.

at the same time, i must admit i think it's ricockulous that this even has to be suggested, but i've seen so much childish behavior that it's hardly a surprise that these same issues come up again and again.

 

[Baptistro]

I think an explanation of Mojo should be made as a Sticky in the n00b section. Keeping it out of the eyes of the n00bs creates a certain elitist aspect to socialization here I don't approve of.

I'm completely foir making it more visible to the entire community. this board can and should be shaped by its membership. If we can work out the detials, it can be a great resource for self moderation. It would not only make life easier for us, but the board would truly belong to the members.

 

[wackyiraqi]

how about automating a "time-out" as part of the mojo system. if you post something that gets squashed you automatically cannot post for 12hrs. during that time you can read everything, and you would still be able to pm/email a mod if you thought the post was squashed unfairly. if the mod agrees, the post can be unsquashed and posting privileges restored. i think that would be very helpful in helping people keep cool heads and stay in control.

at the same time, i must admit i think it's ricockulous that this even has to be suggested, but i've seen so much childish behavior that it's hardly a surprise that these same issues come up again and again.

-edit- sorry i guess i should have posted this in the split-off thread, please ignore-

Well I'll reply over here.

I think I think the mojo-timeout is a great idea. If -5 gives you a squash, then -10 gives you a nap, or something like that. If that's too low, then -15 or -20. Hell, if a sample of 20 randomly selected BARFers think you need a time out, I'd wager that it's probably true.

Also, :thumbup for using "ricockulous" in a sentence. :laughing

I'm completely foir making it more visible to the entire community.

Put it in xgambit's sig. :teeth

 

[V4]

:laughing :cry :laughing

so do they get milk & cookies for good mojos.....

 

[cardinal03]

:laughing

yeah, but only virtual ones and they're all sprotbile flavored