Miller may close

thedub

Octane Socks
If you've never ridden there start making plans, it is a great track. WERA will be there July 25/26 if you want to race.

My thoughts exactly. Conveniently, that USBA/WERA weekend in July is during out 2 month AFM summer break.
 

peterhively

Well-known member
Been there once for YCRS but always thought I'd like to race there some day...some day might need to be in July!
 

MZarra

AFM Treasurer
It was already on my schedule for this year. Now I am REALLY happy that it is on my schedule.

Love this track. It will be a shame to see it go.
 

thedub

Octane Socks

twistybits

Well-known member
I'm sure that upon hearing the track is unprofitable, new operators will come running to take it over for the county...

My read of the situation is that of course the county recognizes it as a source of tourist income and wants to keep it going. That doesn't mean they will be successful in finding someone who wants to take over it's operation.

It's unclear what "unprofitable" means in this context, is it unprofitable in terms of not justifying the focus of the parent company looking after its $200M investment, or does income simply not cover upkeep?

Tooele will simply take ownership of the facilities for free, so the prospects of finding sustainable solutions shouldn't be too bad.
 

Holeshot

Super Moderator
Staff member
It's unclear what "unprofitable" means in this context, is it unprofitable in terms of not justifying the focus of the parent company looking after its $200M investment, or does income simply not cover upkeep?

Tooele will simply take ownership of the facilities for free, so the prospects of finding sustainable solutions shouldn't be too bad.

Relevant quotes:

"That might be premature to say, but that would certainly be our hopes. The county does not intend to operate it. We intend to find a proper (operator) with experience with such facilities to do so."

AND

"There have been several parties who have made interests known in purchasing Miller," Hawkins said. "Lucas Oil had made an offer to them. The offer was declined. From what I understand, in speaking with Tooele County, they realize that they've got a potential gold mine in their possession. I think--no, I know--they're 100% interested in making the facility a fully operational facility, and they want to try to increase the tourism into that region."

They had an operator who offered to purchase the property yet the county thinks it's a "gold mine" and they're looking for a "proper" operator...Mistake 1-1 million

The County is in control of the property. It's fucked. Pure and simple. Public/ private partnerships on assets with financial troubles never work out. Either the governmental entity sucks the ROI out of the project, puts too great of restrictions on the uses or controls the whole deal too tightly, or the "operator" cannot get to profitability. "Gold Mine" is code for "soak the next guy".

I don't expect anyone to come in and be able to make the numbers work if Larry Miller couldn't. The economic of SLC don't support what it takes to keep that place open.

IMO, sadly. Miller is my favorite track I've ridden.
 

twistybits

Well-known member
Relevant quotes:

"That might be premature to say, but that would certainly be our hopes. The county does not intend to operate it. We intend to find a proper (operator) with experience with such facilities to do so."

AND

"There have been several parties who have made interests known in purchasing Miller," Hawkins said. "Lucas Oil had made an offer to them. The offer was declined. From what I understand, in speaking with Tooele County, they realize that they've got a potential gold mine in their possession. I think--no, I know--they're 100% interested in making the facility a fully operational facility, and they want to try to increase the tourism into that region."

They had an operator who offered to purchase the property yet the county thinks it's a "gold mine" and they're looking for a "proper" operator...Mistake 1-1 million

The County is in control of the property. It's fucked. Pure and simple. Public/ private partnerships on assets with financial troubles never work out. Either the governmental entity sucks the ROI out of the project, puts too great of restrictions on the uses or controls the whole deal too tightly, or the "operator" cannot get to profitability. "Gold Mine" is code for "soak the next guy".

I don't expect anyone to come in and be able to make the numbers work if Larry Miller couldn't. The economic of SLC don't support what it takes to keep that place open.

IMO, sadly. Miller is my favorite track I've ridden.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm an incurable optimist.
 

ILOAD2

Well-known member
I'm in agreement with you.

Goldmine...ha.

they should have took Lucas 30cents on the dollar and ran
 
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