Marc Marquez: Destroyer of records, and wages

[DonJigweed]

"Pedrosa's case is particularly interesting. Some well-informed sources are starting to report on his options for the future. According to the Spanish magazine Motociclismo, Dani Pedrosa has been offered a substantial pay cut by Honda, with base salary cut from something in the region of 6 million euros a season to 1.5 million euros, [bold]with a very generous bonus scheme for winning races and the championship[/bold]."

I love it. The little motherfucker should have been on this "commission" based pay scale his entire MGP career.

But this will happen with everyone to some degree I imagine. Why should a team invest huge money in someone who's been proven to have zero chance of beating MM?

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2014/05/26/opinion_how_dani_pedrosa_s_8_million_eur.html

 

[IAmA M0t0r Ridεr]

I wonder if they should even keep him. Hire some newish talent for one year and keep changing until someone clicks.

 

[latindane]

...from something in the region of 6 million euros a season to 1.5 million euros...

 

[kevin 714]

Dani will stay with Honda until he retires.

 

[kevin 714]

I wonder if they should even keep him. Hire some newish talent for one year and keep changing until someone clicks.

Name one rider?


Dani isn't as good as mm, but outside of Rossi and Jorge, no one on the grid is even close

 

[DonJigweed]

Dude's got a flat on Lake Geneva (in addition to other homes no doubt), and never has to worry about money again for the rest of his life.

I think it's more like this:

youtu.be/jEuQGHhFDIM

 

[DonJigweed]

Dani isn't as good as mm, but outside of Rossi and Jorge, no one on the grid is even close

That may well be true, but I think the point of the article, and Honda's lowball offer, is that it's not the only consideration. If you're Honda, when you select your #2, you're just buying insurance, essentially taking out an accidental death, dismemberment, or injury policy on MM. They're basically saying, "Sorry Dani, your current salary is just more than we're willing to pay for that insurance policy."

You don't need the very best rider you can afford to ride your #2 bike. You can scimp a little. Especially if your #1 is the roadracing Peter Pan made of rubber.

 

[kevin 714]

Would be cool of dani signed tho

A dani dovi zook squad is strong

 

[latindane]

Name one rider?


Dani isn't as good as mm, but outside of Rossi and Jorge, no one on the grid is even close

Kevin, you keep using this as if it was the only metric by which factories do or should pick their riders. Current or historical results is not and should not be the only thing on their minds.

There is value in betting on a hopeful (MM) and investing on other attributes like charisma and saleability (Rossi had a good chunk of those way before he became the icon he is, and Hayden is probably a good example of those pulling at least SOME weight).

Pedrosa is rather lacking on these two dimensions. Depending on how much risk they are willing to accept, Honda could go for Jorge, Aleix, Vinales, Pol, or [insert name here; I'm sure you have some idea of who could, maybe maybe, give MM a run for his money].

 

[kevin 714]

Kevin, you keep using this as if it was the only metric by which factories do or should pick their riders. Current or historical results is not and should not be the only thing on their minds.

There is value in betting on a hopeful (MM) and investing on other attributes like charisma and saleability (Rossi had a good chunk of those way before he became the icon he is, and Hayden is probably a good example of those pulling at least SOME weight).

Pedrosa is rather lacking on these two dimensions. Depending on how much risk they are willing to accept, Honda could go for Jorge, Aleix, Vinales, Pol, or [insert name here; I'm sure you have some idea of who could, maybe maybe, give MM a run for his money].

Dani is actually quite popular in Europe.

Americans like to say he isn't, but outside of this country he is

Remember, dani switching to repsol from Movistar was such an issue Movistar quit sponsoring motogp for a decade. Dani is popular in Europe, repsol loves him, And he's great for brand exposure as he podiums 3/4 the races Abd wins every year

I wonder how charismatic you are, speakinh Spanish

 

[latindane]

I wonder how charismatic you are, speakinh Spanish

huh?

 

[Kurosaki]

Holding my tongue.

 

[kevin 714]

huh?

The point being, dani is Spanish, and is judged on his charisma almost excluecky through His English speaking interviews. English isn't His first language. It's Hos work language.

How charismatic do you think Nicky is, when Trrying to speak Italian?


Drives me nuts when Americans try to say how liked or not like dani is, how charismatic or not he is, from the rest of the worlds viewpoints.

Once again, dani is actually a quite popular rider.

 

[latindane]

Remember Spanish is my native language?

 

[kevin 714]

Remember Spanish is my native language?

Lol shows what I know

 

[latindane]

That was the "huh?"... I thought you were taking a cheap shot at that.

He's not that much better in Spanish than in English in terms of charisma. Which is fine, it's motorcycle racing after all, but I just don't see that much sense for HRC to stay with Dani (though I think you are right in that they will let him have the seat until he decides to leave, even if the pay is adjusted downwards). If I was in Repsol Honda, from a marketing point of view, I would be pushing for a change.

The Dani pic is from the Motociclismo magazine article cited by the mm article in the OP. I giggled a bit seeing it used for that article.

 

[kevin 714]

That was the "huh?"... I thought you were taking a cheap shot at that.

He's not that much better in Spanish than in English in terms of charisma. Which is fine, it's motorcycle racing after all, but I just don't see that much sense for HRC to stay with Dani (though I think you are right in that they will let him have the seat until he decides to leave, even if the pay is adjusted downwards). If I was in Repsol Honda, from a marketing point of view, I would be pushing for a change.

The Dani pic is from the Motociclismo magazine article cited by the mm article in the OP. I giggled a bit seeing it used for that article.

Nah just me being a dumb fuck

 

[DonJigweed]

Drives me nuts when Americans try to say how liked or not like dani is, how charismatic or not he is, from the rest of the worlds viewpoints.

Uh, Kevin, you keep using this line, about how if we all weren't basing our judgments on the fact that we see Dani speaking in English, his second language, that he'd come across as much more charismatic. I don't buy it. English is Rossi's second language, is he a bump on a log?


youtu.be/hDi821GtVZM

Check it out at 2:20 or so. "You all know I'm a quiet man, who prefers to be out of the limelight..."

Basically, there you have it straight from the horse's mouth, he's got no fucking charisma, in English, in Spanish, in Swahili, in fucking any language. So how about you just drop the charisma defense, cuz it's basically bullshit. The guy is the 3rd or 4th best rider on the planet, I'll give you that, but he ain't got an ounce of personality.

 

[kevin 714]

you do realize charisma is entirely a subjective term right?

I like dani, I think hes funny and his humor when it comes out gets me every time. dani is quite popular, whether you like it or not

being quiet doesnt make you less, or more charasimatic. cal is loud as shit and will speaj anytme someone sticks a mic on front of him and its coming of fmore and more like a shithead. spies is quite quiet, and never even chnages his tone or inflexion. hes more a robot than even danim yet he has a quiet chraisma to him

 

[clutchslip]

...... According to the Spanish magazine Motociclismo, Dani Pedrosa has been offered a substantial pay cut by Honda, with base salary cut from something in the region of 6 million euros a season to 1.5 million euros, [bold]with a very generous bonus scheme for winning races and the championship[/bold]."

I love it. The little motherfucker should have been on this "commission" based pay scale his entire MGP career......]

Holy cr@p, he was making more than Stoner at Ducati. I could see it when he was the number one rider and winning more races. But now? He has been beaten by Ducati and Yamaha. He just can't get the big one. And I have agreed that he was not capable of a championship for many years. If he wasn't Spanish, I don't know if he would be paid that much. I am just speculating because of Repsol's BIG money.

Shouldn't all racers be on incentive with basics covered and everything else performance based? It just seems logical, considering the job distribution.

How do we know he is the top 1-4 fastest rider, anyway? Unless you throw someone else on that bike, it's guess work. Stoner came and wailed on the Pedrosa bike. Sic-Man may have replaced him in the top 4, too. I don't know. There is no way to know, unless he leaves Repsol.