Long OP - The Electric Transportation Device AKA the E-Motorcycle

Schnellbandit

I see 4 lights!
Warning, this is a long OP; it isn't a data thing that can be dissected through statistics but IMO contrasts electric motorcycles against motorcycles. It's all just opinion here, no links, no references, no studies.

The post is long, the question are at the end in bold.
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This thread is about the question of electric motorcycles and their benefits vs their disadvantages. The benefits of electric motorcycles are well known, from lower energy costs to less maintenance and then the big one, GREEN (as if motorcycles are even on the list of things driving the elephant in the room-climate change, regardless of your position on the matter). Owners of electric motorcycles talk about those benefits but rarely mention the disadvantages and no, I am not referring to the "R" word - range. Eventually, electric motorcycles will start to have a decent range not always cited with a qualifier such as "city" riding (who the heck rides more than 100 miles in a day in the city and who every gave a care about city range on a motorcycle anyway?). The disadvantages I'm referring to is the loss soul or motorcycling, the essence so to speak, the things we can't quantify but can qualify as they make use feel great and long after the ride is over the things we remember. This essence is what wakes us up in the middle of the night if we hear it, stirs our souls if we smell it, lights up our eyes and make us dream if we see it and with our eyes closed, our hearing cut off from the outside world and our noses rendered almost useless because the air is filtered through a face mask, balaclava or zipped up to the nose jacket our entire body can feel it. It's the essence of the motorcycle and the Electric Transportaion Device or ETD simply doesn't have the capacity to provide it.

The most mundane motorcycle has the essence of motorcycling.

The rider does not bring the essence of motorcycling to the activity, the rider is a partner with the motorcycle in creating it and for that to happen certain things need to exist, things which the

Electric motorcycles take all that away because they operate in some sterile bubble of vibrationless, smell-less, soundless and designless (the under the tank box that looks like it came straight out of a tupperware party) and communicationless transportation product.

When you start your motorcycle (another thing electric motorcycles don't do-you turn them on like an appliance)you immediately hear and feel it. The electric motorcycle remains mute as if it's afraid to say anything. There is silence, with an indicator light you wouldn't even know it could move. The motorcycle tells you it's ready, or not, depending on how it talks to you. It says something no ETD could ever manage. If all is well the motorcycle says something else, it says "let's go somewhere". The where somewhere is has no importance as you have the choice of where that is. It could be around the corner or a corner 3000 miles away but the important thing is you have the choice, a choice because you were asked the question. The entire time you ride a motorcycle it talks to you. It questions your choices, your desires and demands answers. The tachometer or how the RPM range sounds make you think about what the engine is doing. The engine vibrates and tells you if it's ok or needs a respite or upshift. You can't ignore it or you risk peril.

You head out and without looking you have a close idea how fast or slow you are going. It isn't silent or zinging like the ETD is, it makes you a partner in the velocity you're going and the faster you go the more it becomes your partner in that communication between machine and human than no ETD can even begin to mimick. As you ride the motorcycle envelops all your senses, it doesn't isolate you from them.

You stop and your senses are bombarded with the smell of the engine, the heat that wafts up from the cylinders and exhaust headers. Behind you or below you the exhausts burble, pop, grunt, belch, loudly or softly, maybe somewhere in between but you hear it and feel it. The ETD sit there not even bothering enough to say it's on. Basically it doesn't care what you do, it will sit there until the headlight finally drains it of it's silent existence. The motorcycle won't sit there waiting for a silent death, it will jumble, make you hot and make you feel the urgency to ride.

The ETD doesn't care if you ride or not, it's perfectly happy to sit there doing absolutely nothing as if it were some sewing machine. Leave it there and come back 2 years later and it will look the same and be as silent as it was when you left it there. Your motorcycle won't just sit there, it will demand you pay it some attention and threaten you with punishment if you don't. Leave it sit just a little too long and when you start it, it will immediately tell you things as if it is unhappy but it will say hello. The ETD will not even bother to say hello.

I've gone on long enough but by now you have the picture of what I'm talking about.

The three questions I'll leave you with are:

1. Are you willing to give up the essence of what motorcycling is really about in favor of an antiseptic, silent, unfeeling "device" that is the ETD?

2. In our rush to tout "Green" in motorcycling did we forget to ask ourselves if we should embrace giving up the essence of motorcycling or are we doing it just because we can?

3.When the essence of motorcycling is gone there will be no getting it back. Anything made up, created by technology, synthesized through a sound system will just be what someone else has decided you can experience. it won't be an experience, it won't be anything more than an app on your phone. We'll get there soon enough but is it really so important to make that happen as fast as possible?
 
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tuxumino

purrfect
when electric motorcycles are winning races you won't worry about the "essence" of motorcycling, you'll just want the ride that wins.

win on sunday sell on monday.

but motorcycle shops aren't open on mondays.
 

splat

Well-known member
Long read for lots of gibberish. Now go park your truck in front of a Tesla supercharging station to assert your manliness.
 

jmillington

Browser, Purchaser
I have several bikes and enjoy personal riding, group riding, and track days.

One of the bikes is a Victory Empulse TT.

I can take the Empulse for a spirited 70 mile ride around Folsom Lake.
It has more range when I'm not so aggressive.

Although it is different from my ICE bikes, it's very fun, just in a different way.

Although E-bikes don't "need" a transmission with multiple gears, I like that the Empulse has a transmission, which is a torque multiplier so the bike performs pretty well.

The Empulse's motor makes a whirring sound when spinning up, and a different whirring sound when slowing down using re-gen, which is pretty stout.

I have the upgraded suspension and I can carve the curves and have a blast!

However, I don't like the range and charging speed, which will improve as development of electric motorcycles and cars continue.

The only implementation specific beef I have with the Empulse is the slop in the drive train between on-throttle and off-throttle, but I have gotten used to it and have developed a way to minimize this when riding.

For me, it isn't like riding a soul-less appliance, and I still get the enjoyment of carving a corner, slowing via re-gen on the approach and choosing my entry line, flopping the bike over using the same techniques as an ICE bike,
maintaining my line through the curve, then picking the bike up under power.

:ride
 

AnotherKat750

Well-known member
I need 200 miles range under $10K with J1772 charging plug. New or used I don't care. They are insanely fun to ride.
And why the heck would the Federal Tax credit not be the full amount and just 10%? The Govt wouldn't go bankrupt by subsidizing a few e-motorcycles.
 
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mean dad

Well-known member
1. Are you willing to give up the essence of what motorcycling is really about in favor of an antiseptic, silent, unfeeling "device" that is the ETD?

2. In our rush to tout "Green" in motorcycling did we forget to ask ourselves if we should embrace giving up the essence of motorcycling or are we doing it just because we can?

3.When the essence of motorcycling is gone there will be no getting it back. Anything made up, created by technology, synthesized through a sound system will just be what someone else has decided you can experience. it won't be an experience, it won't be anything more than an app on your phone. We'll get there soon enough but is it really so important to make that happen as fast as possible?

1) I won't be giving up what you're describing, because it is purely your opinion. I do not need an internal combustion power plant in order to feel a visceral thrill from riding, or a connection to the machine. I'd wager there are many others who feel the same, as evidenced by the very existence of electric motorcycles.
Performance and passion go hand in hand.

2) No one has forgotten to ask these questions. This a false premise. The fact that Harley has an offering in this segment proves that people much more influential than you or I have sat down and thought at length about their version of 'soul' or 'essence'.
Have you ridden a fast 'leccy bike? Pull the trigger coming out of a corner on an Energica and tell me it's boring.

3) Another opinion, so it's difficult to answer succinctly. It's not happening as rapidly as the statement would suggest; and it's important to detach ourselves from petroleum dependence. There's a finite supply remaining, and at some point we're going to need alternative energy sources and vehicles.
You seem to advocate waiting until we absolutely need to deal with the loss of gasoline before embarking on this next chapter of dragging knee or getting stuck in remote places.

:ride
 

BillyBob48

Well-known member
I've heard this argument before about old tech, "soul" "essence" "spirit". (Those flip-phones were pretty soulful) But as many have already responded, there is no inherent soul in any man-made object. It's the user that imparts soul or spirit to that object. I'm looking forward to a non-petrol based future... It's cleaner :)
 

R3DS!X

Whatever that means
Y'all are missing out on steam powered motorcycles! These nonsense ICE gas bikes take away the essence of what it's like to literally fire up your motorcycle, make sure its topped off with water and shovel in coal as you ride through the twisties.

Shut your hole, the future is now old man.
 

danate

#hot4beks
1. Are you willing to give up the essence of what motorcycling is really about in favor of an antiseptic, silent, unfeeling "device" that is the ETD?

Your assumption that all the things electric motorcycles don't have are what motorcycling is "really about" is the big problem here. Most people who I consider real motorcyclists actually enjoy riding. All the other design, noise, fashion, etc., is just a matter of preference. If you don't ride motorcycles because you enjoy riding, then you're in it for the wrong reason.

As soon as they make an electric bike that will do what I need it to, I'll be switching. I think the tech allows for a more pure riding experience.
 

Killroy1999

Well-known member
Noise, vibration and odors can always be engineered back into electric motorcycles that is what you need.

Riding is riding.

I would really urge people to go try things before they criticize.
 
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AnotherKat750

Well-known member
Jokes apart, electric anything is insanely fun. Test rode a Brammo.. ear-to-ear grin, the whole time.

Even LEAF and Volt are fun to drive.
Want a Zero, but too damn expensive without Fed & CA incentives. Can we file petitions for e-bikes to get the same Tax credits?
 
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