Left turn violated.

[Rel]

Yep, yesterday it was my turn in the barrel.

I was riding this: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7319852&postcount=1 (since I can't post dupe pics from another thread) Sorry.

It happened here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...2!3m1!1s0x8090d670bdc6e075:0x1e6212c423f1a068

What happened:

I was traveling eastbound at approximately 30-35 miles per hour. As I was exiting the curve, I saw the blue mini van traveling west approaching my location. As the mini van approached the intersection, of SR-120 and School Street she slowed. I was on the left side of the lane, when she made her left turn. The mini van began her turn prior to the break in the double yellow, and if there was a turn signal activated, I never saw it. At approximately 100 feet from the intersection, as she makes her turn, I start my defensive driving to avoid the collision.

I grab some front and rear brake and then try to avoid the collision by going to the left. As my front tire travels over the double yellow lines, the bike washes out.

I land on my left side and the bike and I separate. The bike continues east, and the bike impacts the right side of the mini van where it comes to rest. I slide to a stop and barrel roll onto the shoulder to avoid the car coming up behind me.

Wear those leathers. Big shout out to Helimont! No road rash, just all soft tissue injuries.

Police report taken, dr.'s appointments made, bike towed and totaled.

Well..... discuss. :thumbup

 

[danate]

Damn Rel that sucks. It's a tough one because you can only be so prepared for the left turner. They're kinda like deer.

Do you feel like had you been on a bike with more braking ability you would have been able to stop in time? Did you recognize her slowing and begin your evasive action then?

Glad you're okay.

 

[budman]

Did you weave when you saw her assuming she had a blinker on.
This really does seem to work. Can't remember what the technique is called, but I am seeing more riders use it.

 

[Rel]

Damn Rel that sucks. It's a tough one because you can only be so prepared for the left turner. They're kinda like deer.

Do you feel like had you been on a bike with more braking ability you would have been able to stop in time? Did you recognize her slowing and begin your evasive action then?

Glad you're okay.

I kind think that the bike might have had to much front brake grip. I think that when I started to feel the slide, I just grabbed the brake and locked up the front wheel.

I know, since I work that area, that is a bad intersection. I'm not sure that I recognized that she was slowing down, but that she was approaching the intersection.

I should have been ready, more or less, for the left turn.

 

[Rel]

Did you weave when you saw her assuming she had a blinker on.
This really does seem to work. Can't remember what the technique is called, but I am seeing more riders use it.

I don't think that she had a blinker on, and I know I didnt see the tires cocked to the left.

She was going to a recycling center that is at the end of that road, and I suspect she was trying to run her errands as quick as possible since she was borrowing the car from a friend. :dunno

 

[budman]

Thanks for the answer.

Glad your are OK. I have seen multiple drivers do a double take when they have seen me weave making me think they did not see me originally.

 

[Grissom]

Do you ride or drive as part of your job?

Because if it can happen to you :wow

Hope nothing serious......

 

[rosemont83]

I don't think that she had a blinker on, and I know I didnt see the tires cocked to the left.

She was going to a recycling center that is at the end of that road, and I suspect she was trying to run her errands as quick as possible since she was borrowing the car from a friend. :dunno

That makes it sound like there will be some insurance complications on her side.. Bastards.

Glad you're good man :thumbup

If I'm on a street I am always thinking left turns will happen in front of me that way I'm sort of always ready

 

[Enchanter]

Yep, yesterday it was my turn in the barrel.

I was riding this: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7319852&postcount=1 (since I can't post dupe pics from another thread) Sorry.

It happened here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...2!3m1!1s0x8090d670bdc6e075:0x1e6212c423f1a068

What happened:

I was traveling eastbound at approximately 30-35 miles per hour. As I was exiting the curve, I saw the blue mini van traveling west approaching my location. As the mini van approached the intersection, of SR-120 and School Street she slowed. I was on the left side of the lane, when she made her left turn. The mini van began her turn prior to the break in the double yellow, and if there was a turn signal activated, I never saw it. At approximately 100 feet from the intersection, as she makes her turn, I start my defensive driving to avoid the collision.

I grab some front and rear brake and then try to avoid the collision by going to the left. As my front tire travels over the double yellow lines, the bike washes out.

I land on my left side and the bike and I separate. The bike continues east, and the bike impacts the right side of the mini van where it comes to rest. I slide to a stop and barrel roll onto the shoulder to avoid the car coming up behind me.

Wear those leathers. Big shout out to Helimont! No road rash, just all soft tissue injuries.

Police report taken, dr.'s appointments made, bike towed and totaled.

Well..... discuss. :thumbup

I kind think that the bike might have had to much front brake grip. I think that when I started to feel the slide, I just grabbed the brake and locked up the front wheel.

I know, since I work that area, that is a bad intersection. I'm not sure that I recognized that she was slowing down, but that she was approaching the intersection.

I should have been ready, more or less, for the left turn.

You mentioned that you were riding in the left portion of the lane (reducing the gap to the threat), in a known bad intersection. Was there a reason for that? Was it part of a plan?

 

[Rel]

I don't ride a moto for work, and I've almost been taken out in the patrol car by left turn violators.

Bud, you referring to the serpentine movement to gain the driver's attention?

 

[danate]

Sounds like you were trying to turn pretty hard to the left while braking. I'm not sure how much you were already headed towards the DY from the curve in the road, but chances may have been better to try heavy braking first with the bike straight and then try to swerve. Both the sliding on the DY and the going into the opposing lane seem like they could be more dangerous than staying in your lane and braking heavily. I wasn't there though and as usual all situations are different. Do you feel like you did the right thing to react?

Those emergency stop skills are perishable. Always good to practice them. I live out in farm land and have a big stretch of empty straight road with sporadic stop signs and a clear view of all angles. I go through there at night on my way home from work and from time to time practice my hard stops from varied speeds up to 80mph. One night after practicing on my way home I was on the last street before mine (E Cyprus where that Harley just got taken out) and a coyote leapt out in front of me. Needless to say I nailed the hard stop.

 

[Rel]

You mentioned that you were riding in the left portion of the lane (reducing the gap to the threat), in a known bad intersection. Was there a reason for that? Was it part of a plan?

I was just staying out of the center of the lane, for all the obvious oil and crap reasons. Since it was a well known bad intersection, and the reason for this is that people turning left or right from School Street onto 120 have a limit sight line, I was in the left part of the lane to give drivers as much time to see me as possible. If that made any sense......

 

[rosemont83]

I don't think that she had a blinker on, and I know I didnt see the tires cocked to the left.

She was going to a recycling center that is at the end of that road, and I suspect she was trying to run her errands as quick as possible since she was borrowing the car from a friend. :dunno

That makes it sound like there will be complications with insurance on her side..

Glad you're good ok man :thumbup

When I'm on the street I'm always thinking there will be a left turn in front of me so that way I'm kind of always ready..

 

[Rel]

Sounds like you were trying to turn pretty hard to the left while braking.

Quite possible.

Those emergency stop skills are perishable.

Isn't that the truth. I hadn't been doing a lot of riding since the transfer but this came at the end of my ride (from my doctors appointment, grrrrrrrr) and the bike was handling great.

 

[budman]

Bud, you referring to the serpentine movement to gain the driver's attention?

Yes indeed. I do it quite often and some of my veteran riding friends have been picking it up.. guys who have ridden for decades. :cool

I noted Kurt doing it on our last ride often as well. Car on right waiting to go left across my path or car coming right at you looking for the left once again violating your path.

I truly believe drivers catch that as their brain goes WTF is that?? It is just not a normal thing to see so that bringa attention to it... to YOU!!! and that is good.

The Brits have some weird name for it.:teeth

 

[Enchanter]

I was just staying out of the center of the lane, for all the obvious oil and crap reasons. Since it was a well known bad intersection, and the reason for this is that people turning left or right from School Street onto 120 have a limit sight line, I was in the left part of the lane to give drivers as much time to see me as possible. If that made any sense......

Yes, that makes sense.

I used to ride in a manner that helped others see me, or shall I say that it made me easier to see. Then one time I got hit, and the post crash analysis made me change my mind. Putting myself in a (more) risky position to help them see me, depends on them actually seeing me. If the don't see me / look, I'm up shit-creek.

I now don't waste anytime hoping other drivers will do the right thing. I spend that mental energy planning escape routes for worst-case scenarios I play out in my head.

 

[Enchanter]

The Brits have some weird name for it.:teeth

SMIDSY

Sorry mate, I didn't see you.

 

[Rel]

Yes indeed.

I agree, and honesty, I was going to put in a headlight modular next weekend for added visibility. As I've stated before, I've never investigated a right of way violation traffic collision with a bike that had one.

 

[tagraff]

The Brits have some weird name for it.:teeth

The SMIDSY maneuver.

 

[MadEnglishCow]

The Brits have some weird name for it.:teeth

SMIDSY

Sorry mate, I didn't see you.

Plus SIAM, short for SMIDSY Identification and Avoidance Maneuver. Basically do a quick weave to help stand out from the background when approaching another vehicle that wants to cross/enter your right of way.