Leaked Apache Video

4tuneit1

4tuneit1

Circle Jerk in the Sink.
I'm watching it right now. Vid starts with a group of 20 armed with Ak's and Rpg, guy with RPG was about to engage a Heli or a Brad... Heli's get the go to engage...they light them up. They eliminate about 12-15 of the armed Iraqi's. A few minutes later, insurgents van pulls up to pick up a wounded, they light the van up. Later in the vid they discuss a civilian child that had got caught up in the crossfire and needed evac. As the BRAds secure the area they get small arms fire and find 6 insurgents with AK's near their location, they go into an abandoned building and the Heli pilots light it up with 3 Hellfires.
 
My900ss

My900ss

Puts the work in
Not sure about your numbers for I heard "8 men, two with weapons" followed by a third "with an RPG". They then asked if friendlies were in the area, it was reported no. They then asked for permission to engage. They received permission and engaged.
 
crank1000

crank1000

Dammit Bobby.
I see a couple people with what appear to be cameras with neck straps on them. I've never seen a bendable rifle before...
 
elbacalao

elbacalao

My office.
I'm not sure where the outrage comes from. It truly sucks that journalists were killed, but I saw atleast two men armed with rifles and one armed with an RPG walking within the group of people the journalists were among. One would have to expect the military to fire on people such as this when they find them.
 
My900ss

My900ss

Puts the work in
look at 3:25 guy in the middle top left. If you were to make a judgment call from a moving Helicopter in a war zone, what do you think it looks like?
 
T

TylerW

Agitator
Its certainly unclear. there's one guy with something long, dark and slender slung under his arm, and its easier for that to look like a rifle than a camera. Don't see how that guy thought he saw an RPG, but then I don't know why the guy was peering behind that corner either, since there hadn't been any firing at that point.

Not sure what the rules of engagement were at that time & place, I do know its easy to make judgement calls in a comfy office chair in san francisco. From the gunner's seat of an apache when you think you see an RPG? Different story.
 
4tuneit1

4tuneit1

Circle Jerk in the Sink.
I guess the part where they found the ready to fire RPG among the dead...was just a golf club right?
 
crank1000

crank1000

Dammit Bobby.
My900ss said:
look at 3:25 guy in the middle top left. If you were to make a judgment call from a moving Helicopter in a war zone, what do you think it looks like?
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Again, I've never seen a rifle that bends. That is clearly a camera. If someone in America was shot for carrying a camera, shit would get out of control.

I'm not claiming to know the precursor to this event, but I can say that if I lived in Iraq, I would absolutely own a rifle, or at least if I was going to be out in public with expensive photo gear, I would bring someone that did. I see nothing wrong with what these people were doing. Helicopters aren't exactly quiet. If they were insurgents, they probably wouldn't have just stood around knowing they were possible targets. jmo.
 
4tuneit1

4tuneit1

Circle Jerk in the Sink.
My900ss said:
Not sure about your numbers for I heard "8 men, two with weapons" followed by a third "with an RPG". They then asked if friendlies were in the area, it was reported no. They then asked for permission to engage. They received permission and engaged.
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Friendlies means Coalition forces, not civilians.
 
4tuneit1

4tuneit1

Circle Jerk in the Sink.
crank1000 said:
Again, I've never seen a rifle that bends. That is clearly a camera. If someone in America was shot for carrying a camera, shit would get out of control.

I'm not claiming to know the precursor to this event, but I can say that if I lived in Iraq, I would absolutely own a rifle, or at least if I was going to be out in public with expensive photo gear, I would bring someone that did. I see nothing wrong with what these people were doing. Helicopters aren't exactly quiet. If they were insurgents, they probably wouldn't have just stood around knowing they were possible targets. jmo.
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Miss the part where they also had small arms fire reported at the Brads?
 
auntiebling

auntiebling

megalomaniacal troglodyte
Staff member
there is spin on both sides of this story.

the video quality sucks, and a big camera sure doesn't look like a camera. later in the video, when the text is quoting some military official as to where the kids came from, and then the zoomed way in video points them out... i couldnt' tell they were kids untill they moved. i doubt very much the apache crews could distinguish what they were unless they'd stepped out of the van.

war sucks
 
ironliver

ironliver

Well-known member
Easy to misinterpret
 

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crank1000

crank1000

Dammit Bobby.
ironliver said:
Easy to misinterpret
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Fair enough...there is 1 guy with what is clearly NOT an ak-47, but likely a bolt action of some sort.

I did not watch the video multiple times, but if in fact the heli did take fire from them, and there was in fact the weapon's cache they claim, then it's more justified. I just don't see all the evidence.
 
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