Laptop ban on airplanes? Let's discuss.

[Ducky_Fresh]

So, they are talking about a ban on laptops while in the air and I wanted to discuss what impact that might have on things.

I travel for work a fair amount but I generally can't accomplish much because vpn doesn't work and it's too spotty and I don't have he patience for that. But I know lots of people do work while on planes.

Might disrupt business travel and productivity. But not sure.

Biggest impact will be increase in checked bags and amount of lost bags -translation: HUGE new revenues.

Will be a huge pain in the Dick.

But mostly, I don't get it. Why couldn't I simply check a laptop or something. Maybe it's several small bottles of liquid filled with kerosene or whatever. Then have some kind of tube that accelerates them which has a Bluetooth transciever? People can even take on mini bottles in mass quantity now, but not over 3oz. There are so many ways around our rules yet we keep making dumb ones.

What say you BARF?

 

[augustiron]

Sit back and enjoy not working for a few hours?

 

[RightCoastBias]

I don't generally use my laptop on the plane, though I travel often for work. I use an iPad with a keyboard for chat/entertainment/emails.

I still think it's bullshit. But I'm not privy to the intelligence behind these decisions.

 

[Eldritch]

So, they are talking about a ban on laptops while in the air and I wanted to discuss what impact that might have on things.

I travel for work a fair amount but I generally can't accomplish much because vpn doesn't work and it's too spotty and I don't have he patience for that. But I know lots of people do work while on planes.

Might disrupt business travel and productivity. But not sure.

Biggest impact will be increase in checked bags and amount of lost bags -translation: HUGE new revenues.

Will be a huge pain in the Dick.

But mostly, I don't get it. Why couldn't I simply check a laptop or something. Maybe it's several small bottles of liquid filled with kerosene or whatever. Then have some kind of tube that accelerates them which has a Bluetooth transciever? People can even take on mini bottles in mass quantity now, but not over 3oz. There are so many ways around our rules yet we keep making dumb ones.

What say you BARF?

They have bomb sniffers in the Checked Bag area. The level of explosive that can be hidden in a lap top pales in comparison to that which can be hidden inside a prosthetic leg that is 100% functional. This game is absurd. I've often wondered how much chlorine and bleach you would have to smuggle on to a plane to fatally gas the cockpit of a mid oceanic flight.

At a certain point, you just have to accept that we throw the dice and we take our chances. Life is never safe. People need to stop being cowards and accept their own demise as inevitable. Th evil will always prey upon the fearful.

 

[asthmodeus]

They have bomb sniffers in the Checked Bag area. The level of explosive that can be hidden in a lap top pales in comparison to that which can be hidden inside a prosthetic leg that is 100% functional. This game is absurd. I've often wondered how much chlorine and bleach you would have to smuggle on to a plane to fatally gas the cockpit of a mid oceanic flight.

At a certain point, you just have to accept that we throw the dice and we take our chances. Life is never safe. People need to stop being cowards and accept their own demise as inevitable. Th evil will always prey upon the fearful.

ammonia.

 

[Blankpage]

They have bomb sniffers in the Checked Bag area. The level of explosive that can be hidden in a lap top pales in comparison to that which can be hidden inside a prosthetic leg that is 100% functional. This game is absurd. I've often wondered how much chlorine and bleach you would have to smuggle on to a plane to fatally gas the cockpit of a mid oceanic flight.

At a certain point, you just have to accept that we throw the dice and we take our chances. Life is never safe. People need to stop being cowards and accept their own demise as inevitable. Th evil will always prey upon the fearful.

Ya know planes crashing is also bad for business though, right. People may go back to making their crossings on the Mayflower.

 

[Eldritch]

ammonia.

Right, you see where this is going. Chlorine Gas, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. Fatal Dose takes about 30 minutes to kill the folks who breathe it. Piss it all into a cockpit when you're more than an hour from land. Even better, during the panic, have an accomplice to fake a flight credential so he can get the stick and take your plane into the blue.

Safety is an illusion for the fearful.

 

[carries an axe]

I am the ultimate terrorist tool.

Yall got nothing

 

[Blankpage]

Right, you see where this is going. Chlorine Gas, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. Fatal Dose takes about 30 minutes to kill the folks who breathe it. Piss it all into a cockpit when you're more than an hour from land. Even better, during the panic, have an accomplice to fake a flight credential so he can get the stick and take your plane into the blue.

You just made the list. Don't sweat it through, there's always the greyhound.

 

[Eldritch]

You just made the list. Don't sweat it through, there's always the greyhound.

I have been on the list a LONG time, like since the 80's. :laughing

I am the ultimate terrorist tool.

Yall got nothing

Seriously, how much explosive could we hide in your chair?

 

[carries an axe]

Seriously, how much explosive could we hide in your chair?

300lb
No joke.
That's my estimate.

when I get the "check" it's usually just some guy that looks inside my jacket, sort of shrugs, looks at his supervisor and I go through.

 

[Eldritch]

300lb
No joke.
That's my estimate.

when I get the "check" it's usually just some guy that looks inside my jacket, sort of shrugs, looks at his supervisor and I go through.

Nah, you would weight like 1,000lbs, way too much weight to sneak onto a plane, but 20lbs of bad intentions is way more than enough to destroy a plane in flight.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

How many batteries does your chair take adam? 4? 8? Replace half the batteries with explosives and you'd have enough charge to make it onto the plane, without changing the overall weight drastically enough to matter.

 

[RightCoastBias]

How does travel and a chair work? I've never seen that and I fly a good amount, 50k miles on a slow year.

 

[carries an axe]

Nah, you would weight like 1,000lbs, way too much weight to sneak onto a plane, but 20lbs of bad intentions is way more than enough to destroy a plane in flight.

\/ he's got the idea.

How many batteries does your chair take adam? 4? 8? Replace half the batteries with explosives and you'd have enough charge to make it onto the plane, without changing the overall weight drastically enough to matter.

The chair is a total of 500 lbs with me in it.

It runs on two heavy 12 volt car batteries.
If you rigged it up right you can run it for a very short time on a single 8 cell 24 volt leaving you a massive area for whatever you want.
It also has a manual mode, so you can just push it.

You could also make me a nice moldable cushion out of whatever you want. so yeah I'm going to stand by my 300 lb estimate

 

[carries an axe]

How does travel and a chair work? I've never seen that and I fly a good amount, 50k miles on a slow year.

Awful,
I nearly sued American Airways for kicking me off.

They said I couldn't use their flotation device if I removed the cushion and replaced it with my own.

I was like " bitch, we're flying from Phoenix to San Francisco and I'm paralyzed what fucking flotation device is going to help a paralyzed guy in the desert???"

 

[UDRider]

Don't forget the increase in identity theft, and all sorts of personal blackmail. Copy content of HD, or at least document folder, and boom.

 

[shouldnthave]

Right, you see where this is going. Chlorine Gas, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. Fatal Dose takes about 30 minutes to kill the folks who breathe it. Piss it all into a cockpit when you're more than an hour from land. Even better, during the panic, have an accomplice to fake a flight credential so he can get the stick and take your plane into the blue.

Safety is an illusion for the fearful.

Mustard... :facepalm

 

[Rukh]

Mustard... :facepalm

Not mustard gas. Facepalm yourself harder.

Mixing a hypochlorite bleach with an acid can liberate chlorine gas. Hypochlorite and chlorine are in equilibrium in water; the position of the equilibrium is pH dependent and low pH (acidic) favors chlorine,[13]

Cl2 + H2O → H+ + Cl− + HClO

Chlorine is a respiratory irritant that attacks mucous membranes and burns the skin. As little as 3.53 ppm can be detected as an odor, and 1000 ppm is likely to be fatal after a few deep breaths. Exposure to chlorine has been limited to 0.5 ppm (8-hour time-weighted average—38-hour week) by OSHA in the U.S.[14]

Sodium hypochlorite and ammonia react to form a number of products, depending on the temperature, concentration, and how they are mixed.[15] The main reaction is chlorination of ammonia, first giving chloramine (NH2Cl), then dichloramine (NHCl2) and finally nitrogen trichloride (NCl3). These materials are very irritating to the eyes and lungs and are toxic above certain concentrations; nitrogen trichloride is also a very sensitive explosive.

NH3 + NaOCl → NaOH + NH2Cl

NH2Cl + NaOCl → NaOH + NHCl2

NHCl2 + NaOCl → NaOH + NCl3

Additional reactions produce hydrazine, in a variation of the Olin Raschig process.

Sulfur mustard, commonly known as mustard gas, is the prototypical substance of the sulfur-based family of cytotoxic and vesicant chemical warfare agents known as the sulfur mustards which have the ability to form large blisters on exposed skin and in the lungs.

Sulfur mustard is the organic compound with formula (ClCH2CH2)2S. In the Depretz method, sulfur mustard is synthesized by treating sulfur dichloride with ethylene:

SCl2 + 2 C2H4 → (ClCH2CH2)2S
In the Levinstein process, disulfur dichloride is used instead:[5][6]

8 S2Cl2 + 16 C2H4 → 8 (ClCH2CH2)2S + S8
In the Meyer method, thiodiglycol is produced from chloroethanol and potassium sulfide and chlorinated with phosphorus trichloride:[7]

3 (HOCH2CH2)2S + 2 PCl3 → 3 (ClCH2CH2)2S + 2 P(OH)3
In the Meyer-Clarke method, concentrated hydrochloric acid (HCl) instead of PCl3 is used as the chlorinating agent:

(HOCH2CH2)2S + 2 HCl → (ClCH2CH2)2S + 2 H2O

This has been your daily chemistry lesson.

 

[rodr]

I flew to Uruguay and back over the past week, mostly on American. The rule was you could not put any lithium batteries in checked luggage, you had to carry them on with you, and laptops in particular had to be removed and X-rayed separately. If that's deemed more secure now, why would the reverse then be more secure? Makes no sense.

They also screwed up a connecting flight and lost my suitcase. Nothing like wearing the same clothes for 40 hours and then having business meetings with nothing else to wear. But that's another story. :mad

Anyway I don't use the laptop in flight because space is too cramped and it's generally a poor experience. But one way or another it needs to come.