Is it easier to disappear than you think?

dravnx

Well-known member
Happy to help. I don't have a Costco membership, but got my ex-wife to purchase one for me - we're cool like that. :)

As for the "search radius" question, my thought is that even if I can't reach the SOS button, the 10-minute pings will all be coming from one location if I go down, as I'll be stationary. That will make the searching much easier.

As long as the transmitter can see the sky, your present position will be bread crumbed every 10 min's. The Spot has a motion detector that will shut it off after it detects no motion for 5 mins and will send a ping before going into standby
 
For me this is part of the appeal. My fate is (mostly) in my hands. That thinking puts an emphasis on making good decisions and forces me to ride within myself. I don't have any family or too many friends locally so it really is up to me to come back safe. But, I also used to own and operate my own commercial fishing boat in Alaska and ran it for 4+ months of the year solo. At this point it is just who I am. YMMV.


I suggest never take up scuba diving. Your philosophy while Don Quiotic will eventually kill you underwater and motorcycle riding. Once you get older you start realizing you can do things to minimize your chance of dying
 

Cornfish

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I suggest never take up scuba diving. Your philosophy while Don Quiotic will eventually kill you underwater and motorcycle riding. Once you get older you start realizing you can do things to minimize your chance of dying

Wait a minute, not carrying a SPOT means I will eventually die riding a motorcycle? Can you please explain that?
 

FoolishMortal

Gary J: Ride in Peace
As long as the transmitter can see the sky, your present position will be bread crumbed every 10 min's. The Spot has a motion detector that will shut it off after it detects no motion for 5 mins and will send a ping before going into standby

Good to know. I'll have to check into how that works for a Garmin unit.
 

RVFRick

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Happy to help. I don't have a Costco membership, but got my ex-wife to purchase one for me - we're cool like that. :)

As for the "search radius" question, my thought is that even if I can't reach the SOS button, the 10-minute pings will all be coming from one location if I go down, as I'll be stationary. That will make the searching much easier.

Makes sense: pings should continue drop. Don't know why I assumed they wouldn't.

Dear Garmin: please feature an incident alarm based on gyro/accelerometer technologies as found in the A* and Dainese air vests.
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
Must be a light week for local news as the same Wooside rescue article resurfaced in the Daily News.

Reading it again (call me obsessed) is see "...speculated they weren't able to pinpoint the exact location because of spotty cell service in the area".

I am curious what provider the victim had. Does cell coverage in your riding areas influence your choice of provider? Verizon seem to have the best coverage for me if I'm to believe the internet so I am staying with them. Two other data points: intersection 35/Kings Mountain Verizon works but my buddy's T-Mobile didn't. Same results while hiking the Thornewood trails off 84/Woodside Road. I almost switched to T-Mobile to save $ but decided the extra expense worth it for peace of mind.
 

msethhunter

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If you think it's easy to disappear here in California, you need to go ride in the south, where there's a crap ton more green lining the road. You bail, go through it, and it closes up behind you, with no one the wiser that you're only 30ft off the road, at best.
 

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
If you think it's easy to disappear here in California, you need to go ride in the south, where there's a crap ton more green lining the road. You bail, go through it, and it closes up behind you, with no one the wiser that you're only 30ft off the road, at best.
That happened two weeks ago here (Google Maps link) near St. Petersburg, FL. The motorcyclist was found a week later by a litter-cleanup crew.

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His family mounted a big search effort, including a chartered helicopter, but were unable to find him. The final ping on his cell phone was narrowed down to the vicinity of an intersection 200 yards from the crash. They attributed the cessation of communication to a dead battery when, most likely, it was damaged in the crash.
 

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RVFRick

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:rip Jason Roseveare, 40

There's a separate RIP thread for this tragedy that I didn't want to disrespect. Also ties into another recent thread re GPS tracking devices. Perhaps it could have made a difference.

I am struck by the fact that this happened just feet from the side of the road on relatively flat level terrain not the rural hilly terrain I frequent. The rider was a father of two and seemingly athletically inclined. All it takes is some thick brush to cover anyone's tracks. From the article's photos they seem to be observing an area no more than 12 feet from the asphalt. Google maps shows the fence he hit and just across the street seems to be a well frequented complex. Perhaps the incident happened in darkness. Sobering anyway you look at it. :(
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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/9643081-181/one-death-in-petaluma-motorcycle?sba=AAS

An El Dorado County man described as a loving father and motorcycle enthusiast was missing more than a week when his crashed motorcycle and body were found Tuesday by Caltrans workers amid high weeds on the side of Lakeville Highway outside of Petaluma.

Workers clearing the weeds about 8:30 a.m. first spotted the motorcycle along the shoulder of northbound Lakeville near South McDowell Boulevard, across from the Harvest Christian School.

Nearby they saw a body, identified later in the day as Jason Roseveare, 40, according to Petaluma police Lt. Brian Miller.

Authorities do not know how long Roseveare was lying next to the road, but his ex-wife, Sarah Roseveare, said the family had been searching for him for 10 days.

Crash evidence indicated Roseveare had run off the road and hit a fence. It didn’t appear that any other vehicles were involved but the cause of the crash remained unclear, Miller said.

Sarah Roseveare said her ex-husband was “a wonderful father” who loved to take his family on outdoor excursions.

“Their favorite thing was dirt bike riding,” she said. “They went snowboarding every year in the winter ... water parks and rafting in the summer ... Literally everything you could possibly think of, we did together.”

Jason Roseveare attended Ponderosa High School in Shingle Springs, outside of Placerville, where he threw himself into art and woodwork and distinguished himself in athletics, Sarah Roseveare said.


“He played every single sport possible in high school and has trophies in all of them,” she said. “He was a perfectionist who mastered everything he could touch.”

The two married in high school, when Sarah was 16 and Jason was 17, and remained married for 18 years, Sarah Roseveare said.

After high school, Roseveare attended several trade schools and got a job as an operating engineer with the Operating Engineers Local 3. He and Sarah moved around several times for his work, spending time in Utah and Colorado before he moved to the town of El Dorado, in the Sierra Nevada foothills.

“He had friends everywhere he went. Everybody loved him,” she said.

He is survived by his daughter, Sequoia Roseveare, 22, and sons Jaziah, 15, and Aedyn, 13, as well as a 4-year-old grandchild and his parents, Carrie and Mitchell Roseveare, all of El Dorado County.

Miller of the Petaluma Police Department asked anyone who may have witnessed the crash to contact Petaluma traffic Officer Mike Pierre at 707-781-1208.
 

Gixxergirl1000

AFM #731
OP, there was an accident up in the Santa Cruz mountains a few years back, guy riding home from work at night on one of the back roads crashed, went off the road, and there was a mad search to find him. I don't remember much of the details, but I do know I was out riding with friends on the same road he crashed on a few weeks after he had been found... lots of foliage along the side of the road.
As I recall, he had passed away by the time they found him, and it had taken a few days before he passed. If he'd had a SPOT or another tracking device, they may well have found him while he was still alive. He had family out looking for him all along his route home from work, for days after the crash.
Data Dan may be able to find the story on the guy... my Google-fu isn't that strong...

yes-only reception up mines and del puerto is verizon-also some areas of central coast.

Sprint also works great up there. I was all kinds of surprised to find I had coverage up Mines when I switched to Sprint.
 

dravnx

Well-known member
I used to live on that road. It is extremely unlikely someone would not see him crash during daylight hours. It is heavily traveled.
 

*Tina*

Fuck off
:rip Jason Roseveare, 40

There's a separate RIP thread for this tragedy that I didn't want to disrespect. Also ties into another recent thread re GPS tracking devices. Perhaps it could have made a difference.

I am struck by the fact that this happened just feet from the side of the road on relatively flat level terrain not the rural hilly terrain I frequent. The rider was a father of two and seemingly athletically inclined. All it takes is some thick brush to cover anyone's tracks. From the article's photos they seem to be observing an area no more than 12 feet from the asphalt. Google maps shows the fence he hit and just across the street seems to be a well frequented complex. Perhaps the incident happened in darkness. Sobering anyway you look at it. :(
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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/9643081-181/one-death-in-petaluma-motorcycle?sba=AAS

An El Dorado County man described as a loving father and motorcycle enthusiast was missing more than a week when his crashed motorcycle and body were found Tuesday by Caltrans workers amid high weeds on the side of Lakeville Highway outside of Petaluma.

Workers clearing the weeds about 8:30 a.m. first spotted the motorcycle along the shoulder of northbound Lakeville near South McDowell Boulevard, across from the Harvest Christian School.

Nearby they saw a body, identified later in the day as Jason Roseveare, 40, according to Petaluma police Lt. Brian Miller.

Authorities do not know how long Roseveare was lying next to the road, but his ex-wife, Sarah Roseveare, said the family had been searching for him for 10 days.

Crash evidence indicated Roseveare had run off the road and hit a fence. It didn’t appear that any other vehicles were involved but the cause of the crash remained unclear, Miller said.

Sarah Roseveare said her ex-husband was “a wonderful father” who loved to take his family on outdoor excursions.

“Their favorite thing was dirt bike riding,” she said. “They went snowboarding every year in the winter ... water parks and rafting in the summer ... Literally everything you could possibly think of, we did together.”

Jason Roseveare attended Ponderosa High School in Shingle Springs, outside of Placerville, where he threw himself into art and woodwork and distinguished himself in athletics, Sarah Roseveare said.


“He played every single sport possible in high school and has trophies in all of them,” she said. “He was a perfectionist who mastered everything he could touch.”

The two married in high school, when Sarah was 16 and Jason was 17, and remained married for 18 years, Sarah Roseveare said.

After high school, Roseveare attended several trade schools and got a job as an operating engineer with the Operating Engineers Local 3. He and Sarah moved around several times for his work, spending time in Utah and Colorado before he moved to the town of El Dorado, in the Sierra Nevada foothills.

“He had friends everywhere he went. Everybody loved him,” she said.

He is survived by his daughter, Sequoia Roseveare, 22, and sons Jaziah, 15, and Aedyn, 13, as well as a 4-year-old grandchild and his parents, Carrie and Mitchell Roseveare, all of El Dorado County.

Miller of the Petaluma Police Department asked anyone who may have witnessed the crash to contact Petaluma traffic Officer Mike Pierre at 707-781-1208.

I literally drive that path daily. I know exactly where this is and it had to have happened at night, cuz during the daylight that road is busy, AF, and theres no way it would have gone unseen.

:rose
 

RVFRick

Well-known member
I have Eat Sleep Ride on my phone. Might be time to upgrade and pay for the CrashLight option.

Thanks for posting about Eat Sleep Ride. I downloaded it yesterday and tried it in my car commute. Seems to be a solid app. The CrashLight option is nice lower cost and featured alternative to InReach. Though it's still reliant on cellular coverage. I'm going to try it on a ride today.

The youtube video is a pitiful - three out of four minutes shows a countdown timer in realtime :laughing :twofinger Skip it and visit their website instead https://app.eatsleepride.com.
 
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Holeshot

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Who was the female BARF member who was lost up near Skaggs several years back? Bill, thanks for the app suggestion. Gonna try it out.
 
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